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PhantomJah wrote:I have seen a few version of this performed in Covent garden at the Magic cave and i have to say there are lots of ways to create this desired effect but not to this standard. There are just SO many different things you can do with this! Some of the stuff ive seen is out of this world. I know that the guys at the stall are still coming up with even more ideas! I can see the power of such a clever trick and i can assure ill be one of the first buying this dvd after what ive seen. So yes there are many different ways to do this effect, but if your looking for a version with ocuntless applications, total freedom, Complete visual control and something to unleash your creativity with, then there is no other version of this trick that will match this. This is one of the best things to come out in magic for a while. I cant wait!

im more shocked by a certain word's mispelling...

PhantomJah wrote:Pardon? Im confused by the last comment? Just because i've posted twice I'm deemed suspitious. I only comment ont hings that i am passionate about. If i see a trick i come across then i will stand up for it. If you dont belive me authentisity then please feel free to type PhantomJah into google or youtube and check me out. However, i still stand by what i said about the trick, suspitious or not!

Well, technically I said it doesn't make me suspicious. Haha!

But yes, sorry about that - I do find it suspicious that someone seemingly joins a forum just to say how good a brand new effect is. Maybe I'm far too cynical, but I see it all over the net - when people have incredibly low post counts and they're enthusiastically endorsing something then it is suspicious.

I did check you out on YouTube and you are a skilled card magician, but that wasn't something I was disputing - I'm simply saying it's odd that someone would use their second post as basically a promo for an effect. Anyway, no worries. I'm still extremely interested in purchasing this effect once it's released - it does look great.

Lol no no, Im a huge fan of these guys and there work. i just think this is a great idea and i defo will be buying it also. I've already got a few ideas for it myself! Anyways, Im just digging myself a hole so ill say nothing else.

PhantomJah

PhantomJah wrote:I have seen a few version of this performed in Covent garden at the Magic cave and i have to say there are lots of ways to create this desired effect but not to this standard. There are just SO many different things you can do with this! Some of the stuff ive seen is out of this world. I know that the guys at the stall are still coming up with even more ideas! I can see the power of such a clever trick and i can assure ill be one of the first buying this dvd after what ive seen. So yes there are many different ways to do this effect, but if your looking for a version with ocuntless applications, total freedom, Complete visual control and something to unleash your creativity with, then there is no other version of this trick that will match this. This is one of the best things to come out in magic for a while. I cant wait!

My question is, "if you have seen a FEW versions of this effect and you have to say there are LOTS of ways, then how on earth can you possibly say not to this standard? I mean, honestly if you have only seen a few of the lots of methods then you can't possibly judge that this is the best. You can only judge that this is the best of the few methods you have seen.

Relax Abraxus - I got it

queen of clubs wrote:Nice of you to say that as your second post on this forum. That doesn't make me suspicious at all.

A small note on this topic. It might be make sense in the future to take note of not just post count, but the date the account was created.

I created this account in November of 2006 (and had been reading the forum for some time before that) and active that whole time, yet my post count sits at only 148 (as of this post). Queen, you've been around for only 3 months and already have a postcount of 201.

PhantomJah had only only had 2 posts, but his account had been around since Sept. of 2007.

My suspicions usually arise from either accounts that have been created that day and have an extremely low post count, or people who show up and make tons of useless posts in a short matter of time in an effort to "get to the secrets" - both types don't last long.

Mage Tyler wrote:

queen of clubs wrote:Nice of you to say that as your second post on this forum. That doesn't make me suspicious at all.

A small note on this topic. It might be make sense in the future to take note of not just post count, but the date the account was created.

I created this account in November of 2006 (and had been reading the forum for some time before that) and active that whole time, yet my post count sits at only 148 (as of this post). Queen, you've been around for only 3 months and already have a postcount of 201.

PhantomJah had only only had 2 posts, but his account had been around since Sept. of 2007.

My suspicions usually arise from either accounts that have been created that day and have an extremely low post count, or people who show up and make tons of useless posts in a short matter of time in an effort to "get to the secrets" - both types don't last long.

I hope you're not suggesting I'm in the latter group.

queen of clubs wrote:

Mage Tyler wrote:My suspicions usually arise from either accounts that have been created that day and have an extremely low post count, or people who show up and make tons of useless posts in a short matter of time in an effort to "get to the secrets" - both types don't last long.

I hope you're not suggesting I'm in the latter group.

No, I wasn't suggesting that and I'm sorry if it sounded that way. The opperative words are now in bold. These people are usually pretty easy to pick out. They range from completely useless to double posting or offering "advice". As I said, most don't last long as the community here has no patience for it.

Edit: To further clarify, I'm not sure I said things as outright as I should have. I think it's more important to look at what a person has contributed rather than the post count. There are differences in personality types - those that like to chat a lot and those that are more quiet. Further, we have a lot of professional magicians here that have extremely low post counts, but are anything but suspicious. My post was only intended to point out another bit of information available to us so we can better know the type of person we're talking to: troll, or just nontalkative.

Yeah mage tyler I have been following many topics on here for a while. in relation to an earlier comment. all im saying is i like the effect and i like the method. Im not trying to sellt he bloody trick, all i was saying was i liked the trick lol. Last time i checked it wasnt illegal to give a comment on someone else work in which i show enthusiasm for. No i may not have discovered many method for doing this but as of yet if failed to find another method that gives this much freedom surrounding the effects in which you can do. If you think you can create one or find one then thats cool but nothing to do with me. I also think were vering from the subject at hand and thats Crystal METHod. All my final words are, please stop being so OTT and uptight about a positive comment to someone elses work. My intentions were purly innocent and i like the effect. At the end of the day it is your job to purchuse it if you want to and judge for yourself because at the end of the day, Magic is all about interpretation!

PhantomJah

Mage Tyler wrote:I think it's more important to look at what a person has contributed rather than the post count.

At the risk of labouring over this far too pedantically, isn't that exactly what I was getting at in the first place? 2 posts, and one an out-of-the-blue glowing endorsement of an effect that is about to go on sale, just after some regulars had asked critical questions about the effect.

Anyway, let's lighten the atmosphere with promises of financial transactions. I will be purchasing this new effect as soon as it is possible to do so. Having a card signed and being able to diddle with that signature in crazy ways - count me in.

PhantomJah wrote:Last time i checked it wasnt illegal to give a comment on someone else work in which i show enthusiasm for. No i may not have discovered many method for doing this but as of yet if failed to find another method that gives this much freedom surrounding the effects in which you can do. If you think you can create one or find one then thats cool but nothing to do with me. I also think were vering from the subject at hand and thats Crystal METHod. All my final words are, please stop being so OTT and uptight about a positive comment to someone elses work.

But how do you know how good it is? It's not on sale yet so you can't possibly know everything about the effect. And if you DO, then my original basis for suspicion was right - you're an insider.

queen of clubs wrote:

Mage Tyler wrote:I think it's more important to look at what a person has contributed rather than the post count.

At the risk of labouring over this far too pedantically, isn't that exactly what I was getting at in the first place? 2 posts, and one an out-of-the-blue glowing endorsement of an effect that is about to go on sale, just after some regulars had asked critical questions about the effect.

Yes, but that was only the introduction to the rest of the paragraph which read, "There are differences in personality types - those that like to chat a lot and those that are more quiet. Further, we have a lot of professional magicians here that have extremely low post counts, but are anything but suspicious. My post was only intended to point out another bit of information available to us so we can better know the type of person we're talking to: troll, or just nontalkative."

Now, I'm sure this is trying the patience of member and moderator alike so this is the last I'm going to say about it, I loathe when things get so remarkably off topic with nitpicking.

-Tyler

Mage Tyler wrote:this is the last I'm going to say about it

Good, then you won't mind if I have the last word. I choose "iguana".

Hi there folk, Darius here, the concept was my idea and the many smart magicians I am priveledged to be around have created a realm of brilliant different ideas including:
a new signed card to mouth
a duplicate signature transposition
Signature removal from cards and transpositions
a wicked new effect i cant mention as it will give away the secret- every decent magician does this effect and this version is 100 times better no joke.

In terms of all this 'insider' rubbish posts, the trick is only being launched from me and the Magic Cave. There are no false posts. To verify this check on magic cafe where you have great creative minds like Ben Williams and Angelo Carbone thumb up the effect they have seen first hand.

It's a kick ass effect and you, the magician can create loads of your own affects in minutes from owning the trick.

Any questions?

darius wrote:In terms of all this 'insider' rubbish posts... Any questions?

I suppose my first question would be why should I give you money after you call my legitimate concerns "rubbish"?

You can ignore that and go right on to a previous question I asked in this thread that hasn't yet been addressed, which was are you going to release more information about the method before you start selling it? Because it sounds fantastic, but in my experience things that sound fantastic are generally a pain in the butt and require gaffs and set-ups and all manner of BS that makes real-world performance extremely difficult, angle-sensitive, unexaminable and frustrating.

The concept of transposing a signature to another card right infront of someone is awesome, but I need to know a little more about what is involved first.

I was stung by Ellusionist when I paid money for their "Factory Sealed" effect because it was marketed as revolutionary and turned out to be anything but, and as much as this sounds great... well... you get where I'm coming from.