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Replicant wrote:I was thinking about the old "you're paying for the secret" phrase that pops up a lot in the magic scene. Imagine, if you will, that I went out and purchased, say, a packet trick; would it be reasonable of me to expect a discount if I then went back the next day and purchased the same item? Seeing as I've already paid for the secret, should I get the props (in this example, a few gaffed cards) for a discount?

I should add this is a hypothetical situation - I'm just interested in opinions on this, that's all.

You're the shopkeeper. I come in to buy a gaffed deck. I come back the next day and want a second copy, cheaper this time because it's just hardware to me now. How do you know I'm not buying it for someone else, someone who doesn't know the secret yet, and doesn't deserve the discount?

Tomo wrote:You're the shopkeeper. I come in to buy a gaffed deck. I come back the next day and want a second copy, cheaper this time because it's just hardware to me now. How do you know I'm not buying it for someone else, someone who doesn't know the secret yet, and doesn't deserve the discount?

Because it's you, Jon, you can have it on the house.

Seriously, I don't know that you're not buying it for your mate. That's why I'm interested in stimulating discussion on this topic, to hear the fors and againsts. As someone else mentioned, I think it's just common sense isn't it. If a customer needs a refill for an effect that would be useless without the original instructions, then it should be made available at a lower price than the original effect. There may be exceptions to this that I can't think of right now - like I said, I would hope common sense would prevail.

But if I was buying a TT, for example, I wouldn't expect any discount on repeat or multiple purchases (unless I was buying, say, a thousand of them in one go).

Replicant wrote:Because it's you, Jon, you can have it on the house.

Seriously, I don't know that you're not buying it for your mate. That's why I'm interested in stimulating discussion on this topic, to hear the fors and againsts. As someone else mentioned, I think it's just common sense isn't it. If a customer needs a refill for an effect that would be useless without the original instructions, then it should be made available at a lower price than the original effect. There may be exceptions to this that I can't think of right now - like I said, I would hope common sense would prevail.

But if I was buying a TT, for example, I wouldn't expect any discount on repeat or multiple purchases (unless I was buying, say, a thousand of them in one go).

I think I see what you mean. You don't buy a new printer at full price when the ink runs out.

Basically, yeah. I waffle a lot and tend to take a whole paragraph to get my point across when a simple sentence will do.

Replicant wrote:Basically, yeah. I waffle a lot and tend to take a whole paragraph to get my point across when a simple sentence will do.

A metaphor is worth a thousand words!

This is why I could never write a book. It would never get finished.

To save you the expense of buying the gimmicks, you can have my routine for UNGIMMICKED hopping halves for free.

a generose offer there peter but i was actualy refering to the butter coin gimick being suplied with the american explanation and a uk coin gimick of a regular format, lets just say it was neither tight cut or able to be shown as two without a lot of extra bits being visible.

I.D said he had lost his important by-polar coin from his hopping half and i was ofering to send him my set as i use the hopping half routine from mark ledveridges colour coins which i prefer.

i know a few ways to do it without gimmicks but its always nice to have an experts opinion like yourself and a copy of your routine would be apreciated for my files and for refreshers, many thanxs.

Replicant wrote:This is why I could never write a book. It would never get finished.

Or learn from tomo and it could get finished VERY quickly.

I just knew when I first read this post that there would be a variety of answers

I also suspect that the magic dealer has to pay the same price for each repeated item that is bought from the wholesaler so he cannot discount without affecting his mark up and profit which after all, keeps him in business.

The wholesaler may be in a similar set of circumstances with the inventor. This could go around in circles..... I suppose the real worth is to the person buying and whether they want it enough or not.

Some things you will buy and use until it wears out but won't then replace again, even if it were discounted.