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I searched ahead of time, and only saw Stigmata talked about so sorry if this is a repost as this is only effect I know. And not sure how it different or same it is to Stigmata.

Anyways, I was wondering with the effect of ashes on the arm. If instead of using Ashes if one could use blood instead for the effect I hope its not exposing anything and if so you can pm it. Just not sure if the gimmick behind ashes works with blood or if there was something that would work in a similar fashion.

The gimmick behind Ashes? I'm assuming this is the same as what my 3rd grade science teacher taught me, and if so...

Prolly, Its a really easy one, I was just wondering if it would work with blood or not. Or is there something that would pull off a similar effect with blood as ashes does?

Well where are you gonna get the blood, first off? And no, I don't think it would work with blood. The way "Ashes" works is specifically designed to work with ashes, and that's about it. So blood probably wouldn't work. However, there is always a way.
If you know what you want to appear on your arm, take a knife and slowly cut into it, causing blood to slowly gush out of your arm. Works great!

Actually I was planning on using a knife, for a small cut I feel that kind of performance would be a very nice effect, More so when you add in the vodoo story of how it is done it can make it far more serious and dark I think. Plus most cuts are a tiny cat scratch so its more for the effect of it.

So I guess the question is, Does anyone know what would work with the blood to mimic the ashes part of it.

P.S I am afraid If I get any more direct it may be considered a exposing though not sure. So If anyone has any slight ideas I would welcome a PM to on some ideas.

Depending on the precise method you use for ashes on the arm, it might work on blood, but would be the 'opposite' effect. However, I have no intention of trying it out!

before you continue on your blood quest - i have a question for you...

what effect do you wish to have on your audience - apart from "eurgh"?

what's the point in all of this? what does it show?

abraxus wrote:before you continue on your blood quest - i have a question for you...

what effect do you wish to have on your audience - apart from "eurgh"?

what's the point in all of this? what does it show?

Well,Its the whole set up part in the patter, As im talking about the Voodoo ritual's being able to use the energy of a person and focus it on your body, your heating up the knife's blade with your lighter. And honestly like I said the cut is so small its just a sratch if you have accidently knicked your self with a razor you'll understand what I mean.

It's not like I plan a deep cut just a very light quick swipe then using the blood to rub on my forehand as i concentrate then then bring out the 3S or similar on my hand and showing it to them to match there prediction.

I mean like I said I am not hoping to do something amazing or extreme with the cut, Only make it seem like I am. Honestly this effect is so key I think in what I could do with it yet I am at a cross roads at what will work with blood in this way.

P.S Like I said im not sure what exposing is, But I hope that details abit more what im looking for.

P.S.S Reason why I thought of this is I carry a minimum of three knives on me at all times. I have been throwing knives on and off for three years now. So having a knife on me is a every day object not a big stretch for me to carry one.

there's an effect called Wounded, by PaperCrane productions - search them out...it may do what you need...

you do know that voodoo is actually a positive healing thing? its been given a bad name by certain organised religions to poo-poo it...

anyway...papercrane may give you what you need..

abraxus wrote:there's an effect called Wounded, by PaperCrane productions - search them out...it may do what you need...

you do know that voodoo is actually a positive healing thing? its been given a bad name by certain organised religions to poo-poo it...

anyway...papercrane may give you what you need..

Thank you for that advice off to go look for that now.

Very much so, Though it's all about what the audiences think and most Spec's will just know what they see in TV so I figured that would work best. Though if you know a better term I should use would love that advice to.I was thinking while most will think of Voodoo as shamanistic ritual which is what I was trying to get to.

Again if anyone has any other good hints, I would love to hear them as I am literally stuck at what would work.

I forsee that you would not be able to release enough blood "comfortably" in order to make this feasable. And I use the word comfortable not only to describe your pain threshold but also your audience's comfort.

True, But im only seeking a very light amount, I don't really to gush out blood but I have cut myself and I feel from a light quick swipe I may be able to get enough to get a light showing of the card. But as long as you can tell the 3S on the hand even if its light I think would still get the audience to be amazed when they see the blood even showing there card.

Not to mention now with this Wounded effect with blood from your eyes and palm I think it would be Ace. Though I do agree it will take scanning the feeling of the people. But overall I think most will be disbursed by it but also curious enough they want to see how it was done and are intrigued by it.

Though I will admit it is playing on the audiences psyche abit. Sounds like you could make a whole routine using blood effects though not sure what field that would be in.

What about using the effect, as designed, with ashes?

If you wanted to use your idea for patter you could. Set it up with patter, introduce the blade, bleed a little on the ashes (or the billet before burning it) - then proceed as normal.

Blood use is limited for minimum discomfort but the effect is maintained.

Additionally, the effect of ashes is often used to get rid of evidence that could potentially tip the method - it might be in your best interest to preserve that aspect of it.

In this day and age I wouldn't do anything using blood - it could really upset some audience members. The blood/HIV connection remains strong for many people.

How about working the ashes into the voodoo theme? Perhaps you could produce them by burning some special "mystical herb" or an envelope containing a lock of your hair or some such nonsense.

You're talking of REALLY cuitting yourself and using REAL blood??????

Why would you want to do this? The only reason for it that I can see is for shock value. I quite like the voodoo idea but to use real blood is just horrible.

How about this for a variation on your theme. Firstly instead of using playing cards (they're not really very voodoo are they?). Why not make up your own cards with some strange 'voodoo' symbols on them and then maybe burn some incense 'to get you into the right state' and reveal the card using the ashes from the incense.

To me, your routine doesn't really have any logical meaning and just seems like an excuse to use some blood and gross out your audience.