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I was recently taught by a friend at International Magic a quick multiple card control to the bottom. You spread the through the cards, the first spectator places it in, you square it up, give it a hindu shuffle, then repeat with as many spectators as you want, and well, they end up nicely, in order on the bottom!

He thinks it was created by Dai Vernon but cannot be sure! Any names people?

Well, not quite Vernon's excellent multiple shift but am I alone in thinking that the Hindu shuffle always looks very iffy to a present-day audience? Who shuffles like this in the real world?

Bigtone53 wrote:Well, not quite Vernon's excellent multiple shift but am I alone in thinking that the Hindu shuffle always looks very iffy to a present-day audience? Who shuffles like this in the real world?

That's what I thought until I did some magic for a Belgian - turns out it is a common shuffle there apparently! Any Belgians out there to confirm?! I also gave the cards to a Chinese girl to shuffle and she Hindu shuffled, so there you go.

p.s. sorry can't help on the card control technique name!

Sorry W.C. (heehee) its a little off topic.

But I have found, after 5 years of living in a school boarding house full of chinese people, they all hindu shuffle. A couple of them can table riffle shuffle fairly well, but alot of the time, all they do is hindu shuffle, its like its instinctive.

Back to the control W.C. (thats nearly as bad as trying to shorten the name for Paul Zenon's book -100 Ways To Win A Tenner - 100WTWAT)

Is it the same control that Ricky Jay uses in his video "Ricky Jay and his 52 Assistants"?

According to Daryl and his lovely encyclopedia of card sleights that control is called the multiple card control and was invented by Dai Vernon

crozboz wrote:(thats nearly as bad as trying to shorten the name for Paul Zenon's book -100 Ways To Win A Tenner - 100WTWAT)

100W t***? I didn't even think he was that bright a bulb.

Who shuffles like this in the real world?

Pretty much everyone is Asia.

I've seen plenty of people do the hindu shuffle, especially poker players who like to flourish with cards and coins. Also I've never been ask what it is when I'm using it just like I don't get asked about all the variations of cuts I do either.

The shuffle is Dai Vernon's and is an excellent but very easy sleight to master. I'd thoroughly recommend learning it.

queen of clubs wrote:

crozboz wrote:(thats nearly as bad as trying to shorten the name for Paul Zenon's book -100 Ways To Win A Tenner - 100WTWAT)

100W t***? I didn't even think he was that bright a bulb.

Sorry, but that made me chuckle

Yep we chinese folk all shuffle like that. Hindu shuffle is our normal shuffle. I learnt it at a young age, and had to learn you crazy weird "western" overhand shuffle when I started magic...odd world eh?

Yup and seeing as the Chinese population is absolutely humungus, as well as the rest of Asia, I'd say BigTone is COMPLETELY wrong, as its probably the most used shuffle in the world.

Jjtee wrote:Yep we chinese folk all shuffle like that. Hindu shuffle is our normal shuffle. I learnt it at a young age, and had to learn you crazy weird "western" overhand shuffle when I started magic...odd world eh?

I never overhand shuffle. I always riffle. Funny old world eh?

I never overhand shuffle. I always riffle. Funny old world eh?

When playing cards I always riffle, but magic related I usually use a mix of all 3, depending on the control or amount of cards need on top of this that or the other. Faro is best in that manner I guess.

I find my false overhand shuffle is better than my false riffle, so I use the overhand when falsing, but then people tend to get suspicious when i overhand. It just goes to show, I either need to stop riffle shuffling all together, or work on my false riffles.

Bigtone53 wrote:Well, not quite Vernon's excellent multiple shift but am I alone in thinking that the Hindu shuffle always looks very iffy to a present-day audience? Who shuffles like this in the real world?

Well I agree, but I always just did an overhand shuffle, and when I was reading about controls with a Hindu shuffle, I would use the same concept, but with an overhand to make it less suceptible.

And if I had to pick a blind shuffle, it would be Lennart's False Angle Riffle Shuffle from Green Magic Volume 2 - Really easy to do and brilliant (you blind shuffle and still show a full riffle shuffle and a waterfall )