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Mandrake wrote:It was once explained to me by a very PC Social Worker friend that smacking naughty kids doesn't serve any useful purpose. All it does is vent the adult's anger and frustration on the child. When I replied, ' You say that like it's a bad thing?' she walked off and hasn't spoken to me since .

Ha! I'd find the last bit funnier if I didn't find the first bit annoying...

I agree that expressing how angry you are that your carpet is ruined on a child with a belt buckle is totally wrong, but it's totally patronising for people to assume that's the only way. My folks didn't do it in anger, they just told me plain and simple that what i'd done was naughty (like I didn't know) and if I did it again I'd be smacked. And if I did it again, I was!

I think this new method of "explaining" makes 2 major errors:

1) Like MM said, it totally fails to impress upon them that they are under authority, it becomes just like a chat with a friend about how they hurt your feelings or something.

2) It makes the ridiculous societal assumption that children are little angels who only do "naughty" things because they don't know why it's wrong. Sorry, no - children are manipulative little s*ds who push the boundaries on all sides, and will do what they want if they think they can get away with it. To think that carefully explaining that their action has incurred some vague negative consequence and expect them not to do it again is absurd.

Grr. Rant rant rant.

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The PC brigade against smacking kids need to take a reality check and do something worthwhile with their time, rather than spounting utter nonsense. I could go on all day about this, but I don't wish to bore everyone. Suffice to say that sometimes kids need a good smack to teach them right from wrong. I don't care what anyone says; my parents brought up three children and we were all smacked when we deserved it. Now I have a daughter of my own, I discipline her the same way. Don't get me wrong, I don't beat her if she so much as gives me a ditry look, but if she does something to warrant a smack, she'll get one from myself or my wife.

It still never ceases to amaze me that smacking has even become an issue in this country. Too many do-gooders with their softly-softly approach solves precisely nothing.

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here here on both posts!

I work in a family centre and Im seeing a growing type of attitude in the kids we get in there. The world is theirs to do as they please, never mind the vandalism that costs us money and the upset they cause the staff.

The younger staff as well, also think that turing up at work should entitle them to their wage and giving them actual work to do is a breach of their human rights! Bring backthe cotton mills and the coal mines! Oh woe betides you, a manager shouted at you for schiving!!!!!

On a related note my much younger (ex) housemate recently robbed my house of about £3,000 worth of stuff and took my £2,500 car. When caught the police let him go, so he took the car, burnt it out and got £100 for selling it for scrap metal.

Is he in prison???NO!......(a) Its a MINOR crime
(b) Its not his fault, his friends led him astray........ So at 20 years old he goes free, absolved of any responsibility and with no feelings of guilt. He wanted it, so he took it. Its as easy as that. After all, the world does owe him everything........

Getting older means never having to say ... whatever it is.

Whats all this nonsence talk of getting older....My missus is sure Im getting younger!

Same here although the word Mrs.M uses is 'infantile' rather than 'younger'. I guess she means the same thing.....

Then again yes it could be that too lol