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Just a quick tip, for tryng to practice something like a French Drop, or something that should look natural but isn't, a false count or whatever...

Practice doing the action how the audience should see it, (without performing the slight) then watch your hands in a mirror and try to mimic the movement when you perform the slight.

A good idea might be to try a trick that starts with a self-working method but also has a more complicated slight of hand approach, like Club Sandwich, It's one i started with and i still use it loads.

i think ill take that advice bananafish, thanks. (sorry about the one line post, ill write something hree to make it 2!)

what is this club sandwich trick that people speak so fondly of?

Have a look at http://www.emagictricks.co.uk/product_i ... ts_id=4169 - I don't have this one but folks do seem to rave over it!

You know what? This is a great little piece of self working wizardry that works. Theres no real need (IMHO) to try and make it EVEN stronger as in many ways this will just serve to confuse and take away from the effect.

I'm with you bananafish. This trick done properly is a real little stunner. No need to complicate it, and while I have used it to disappear the whole deck but leave the original card, I'm not even sure that this adds anything.

bananafish wrote:

You know what? This is a great little piece of self working wizardry that works. Theres no real need (IMHO) to try and make it EVEN stronger as in many ways this will just serve to confuse and take away from the effect.

What is IMHO?

In my honest/humble opinion

in my humble opinion imho

aha, all becomes clear now. thanks guys. does anyone else have any ideas on good starter presentation tricks? or any particular tips on preparing for presentation, i do tend to buggar it up a bit.

do a search theres tons of stuff, my thread on going comercial has a few ideas