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Hello,

This is the last letter you'll be receiving from Steve Fearson the Magician.

Those of you who've read The Secret Knowledge will understand why.

DownloadMagic.com is for sale. If that is of interest to you here is the link:

http://www.downloadmagic.com/for sale

I wish all of you a fond farewell and I hope to see some of you again as affiliates of the New World Church.


All the best!

Steve Fearson

http://www.NewWorldChurch.org

hmmmmmmm........

Very sad that someone should be sold the idea that the Bible is against magic. It certainly is not.

It is very sad indeed,
I believe we can have religion and magic, Sorry to lose a member.

Oh and they've spelt Magicians wrong on their site...

You may want to think twice before letting your child get involved in the world of Magicicians and Magic. Tricks aren't necessarily for kids.

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You may want to think twice before letting your child get involved in the world of Magicicians and Magic. Tricks aren't necessarily for kids.

thats my whole carrrear up the swanny river then.

I'm just waiting for the link to work to see what kind of argument they use against it. I can only think they will need to use "deception" as a basis for the argument. Man some people really do love to twist the Bible.

The web abounds with discussions of wether it is morally right to perform magic and whether it can fit with your religion.

I have mentioned before that I am not religious and that organised religion worries me, this is mainly because of it's power to control people's emotions once it already has their beliefs. Don't get me wrong, I am certainly not against people having their own beliefs, nor am I really against moderate religious groups, but so many of the smaller groups seem to have some quite odd ideas, this being a case in point.

Organised religion has been the root cause of as much harm throughout history as it has good, I think it would be much safer for everyone if they just kept it to themselves.

Of course I am not suggesting that this is a dangerous cult, but you have to wonder who cam up with the idea that magic is spiritually unsound and dangerous for children! The most convincing argument I have read for those of a Christian persuasion not doing magic is that the very nature of it is based on deceit, and as shuch should be shunned.

Organised religion has been the root cause of as much harm throughout history as it has good, I think it would be much safer for everyone if they just kept it to themselves.

I think it's oversimplisic to blame religion, religion is simply a tool of men to accomplish whatever it is they will.
In regards to Christianity your safe as long as the final authority is the Bible, as soon as they start using other authorities such as a Pope, or council of Bishops or whatever, then you start on very dangerous territory.

It will be interesting to see their view and why they are so against magic.

We are all entitled to our own opinion, whether it be for or against magic however, I'm sure most of use are hoping their argument isn't too convincing and they don't get too many followers.

Oh of course, I am not saying that it is the religion itself that can be dangerous but the organisation of it. Once you get a group of people together in a religious setting they have to have the best interests of the religion in mind, and as it is they who are running the organisation they hance have to have their interests at heart, so soon enough the religion ends up serving its higher ranks far better than it serves it's followers, it is therein that the problem lies. I am also not saying that this happens in all, most or even many, but just in a few cases, but those few cases often cause a lot of pain. A case in point is that of the famous astronomer Copernicus (he was a priest as well as an astronomer) who first developed the theory that the Earth orbited the Sun rather than being the centre of the universe itself as was the commonly held view and the official view of the Roman Catholic Church. When he finally published his work many years after he had developed it he was on his death bed and considered it safe to do so, he had dedicated it to the Pope and the publisher added an unauthorsied note that the whole work was a mathematical fiction. I don't know the technical words for it but the Church condemed him and 'unordained' him, this terrible injustice was not revoked until this century I believe, a whole 500 hundred years later.

On thing I remember that amused me in a school assembly was the Headmaster talking about free will, that we should do what we felt was right, not what other people told us we should do. He followed this immediately with a prayer asking that God guide us to do His will. I found this pretty funny at the time but on thinking about it after I started to wonder from where most people got their interpretation of Gods will, and of course it is usually from their religious leaders, which leaves them with a tremendous responsibility, and often Human nature isn't up to that challenge.

I'm sorry I seemed to be over simplifying the subject but I didn't want to go into a lengthy discussion of my views. despite being essentially entirely non-religious I often end up in very theoligical/theosophical debates with my mum since she quite likes trying to convert me with cunning arguments about the nature of the Universe and the Beginning and all that. I have my own views and beliefs which rarely coinside with hers and actually find that I am far less religiously prejudiced than she despite my own feelings.

Looks like I failed to avoid that disposition on my personal views doesn't it!

Hope I haven't caused any offence to anyone's sensibilties as I know that my views are in a minority in most groups.

It will be interesting to see their reasons but I am sure that few people will be seriously influenced by them, let's just hope that it doesn't spread and we find that being a magician becomes a burning offence in a few years time.

Nick

On thing I remember that amused me in a school assembly was the Headmaster talking about free will, that we should do what we felt was right, not what other people told us we should do. He followed this immediately with a prayer asking that God guide us to do His will.

Not neccessarily a contradiction, if you use your will to choose to bow your will to another.

I started to wonder from where most people got their interpretation of Gods will, and of course it is usually from their religious leaders,

This is not the case for Christians, for Christians it is the Word of God, ie the Bible. Any that have men as their authority are I agree asking for trouble.

I don't follow Tom, what kind of episode?

As far as I can see the whole problem is really one of human nature more than anything else, people always have to have an excuse for their actions and for many religion is their choice.

Nick

PS the point I was making (not very well I must admit after a big dinner and a couple of glasses of wine) about the prayer was that the whole school bowed their heads and repeated it without really thinking what they were saying. They weren't necessarily making a concious decision to bow their will to another's, they were just going along with it because that was the easiest course for them.

Do you know what if anything this had to do with his Station Manager document/gimmick/trick. Last i heard he was having an open chat with the Skeptic society. I couldn't get onto it.


J

in a word yes see my post regards open letter in this thread.