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Postby Tomo » Sep 15th, '08, 11:46



themagicwand wrote:
Tomo wrote:I don't have any expenses worth claiming, so I just stuff what I make into the appropriate box in the online form and that's it.

Me too. Well, I claim petrol (when I remember to get a receipt from the garage!). Didn't realise I can claim back for props. Must remember that!

I started claiming for a laptop once. You have to keep claiming a smaller and smaller amount every year. I lost the bit of paper with the figures on (fool that I am), so I stopped claiming. They took it all back in a "balancing payment" in January.

Other than deliberate abuses of power, not much about officialdom genuinely scares me other than the Inland Revenue. Ensuring I get money to the tax man every six months is everything I work towards.

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Postby Robbie » Sep 15th, '08, 11:54

You have to register with Inland Revenue (now HMRC), but don't have to register with Companies House. Assuming you don't have a partner, you would register as a sole trader. VAT registration is voluntary if your turnover is under the £67,000 threshold (some hopes!), and for this sort of business would just cause you extra hassle. (Voluntary VAT registration is only useful if you would pay out more VAT per year than you would take in.)

You'll have to undergo the yearly joys of income tax self-assessment, which isn't really all that difficult. The main thing is to keep good records. I prefer using Collins Essential Accounts Book (the first one on this page), which is very clear to read and easy to use. The Inland Revenue site has a clear list of what records you are required to keep. You legally have to keep all records for 5 years and 10 months; I generally keep mine for 7 years or so, or until I need the space. It's simplest and most secure to do your income tax online, and also to pay online through your bank.

As self-employed, you will pay National Insurance at a level that makes your nose bleed -- £2.30 a week, plus 8% of profits -- on top of income tax. If you expect very low income for the year (it changes from year to year, currently £4825) you can apply for a "Small Earnings Exception" and not pay National Insurance for that year.

If you have a low to moderately low income (under £18,000 or so), it's worth looking into Working Tax Credits. Doubly so if you have children, are over 50, or are disabled or have a disabled spouse. I've just applied for this myself and hope to get an extra few hundred a year.

I use the "notes" pages at the back of the accounts book to keep my job log. You're likely to have more jobs than me, for a lot more different clients, so you'll probably need a second record book. Give each job a unique reference number, and note down what it is and who it's for at a bare minimum. You're likely to want to keep separate records of client names, contact details, and the sort of thing they want from you.

Use the computer as much as you like, but make sure you have records on paper. Paper files are permanent.

For my job numbering, I started with A100 and am now (about 10 years later) in the A950s. When I pass A999, I'll start with B100 and so on. This keeps the job numbers in the same format and easy to sort by computer if necessary.

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Postby DavMac » Sep 15th, '08, 13:31

magicofthemind wrote:I assumed DavMac is "trading" as an individual rather than through a limited company.


Yes this would be the case.

Thanks everyone for the info, I'll contact the Tax Office in the next couple of weeks and get some clarification on some of the points and feed back on this post with anything I find.

I just want to make sure I'm doing everything by the book as I can't afford to slip up and get hammered by the taxman.

Thanks again.

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Postby DavMac » Sep 15th, '08, 13:48

Tony Hyams wrote:If you haven't already, I would also join equity as they can help you with any problems you have, and they also provide your public liability insurance.


I've had a look at their website and it says:

Variety and Circus
- as an artist who usually undertakes paid short term engagements or gigs, you need to have evidence of four of these within the last 12 months, plus one forthcoming engagement


It going to be a couple of months (wishful thinking :) as I've only got got one potential booking) until I'd be able to join equity, does anyone know where I would be able to get public liability cover from until then?

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Postby themagicwand » Sep 15th, '08, 14:00

DavMac wrote:
It going to be a couple of months (wishful thinking :) as I've only got got one potential booking) until I'd be able to join equity, does anyone know where I would be able to get public liability cover from until then?

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What you need to do is phone round all the old folk homes in your area. Offer them a 30 minute (or so) show for £10. Invoice them on the day. A couple of hours on the phone will get you easily enough bookings to enable you to join Equity. Or do a show or two for relatives, invoice them and then give them their money back. :wink:

The old folk homes is a tried and tested route used by thousands of performers and actors over the years to get them into Equity.

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Postby DavMac » Sep 15th, '08, 17:18

I'd read somewhere on here about old folks homes gigs, although I hadn't thought of it in the sense of joining equity.

I like the idea of using family (I mean having assist) as bookings to further my bookings.

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Postby Mr Deck » Sep 16th, '08, 11:00

A friend of mine became self employed last year as an entertainer, I advised him to Google tax benefits and savings, he came up with some interesting stuff what he could claim for maybe worth a look.

He was also advised by a magician to get public liability insurance, the magician apparently knocked over a hot coffee onto a mans lap costing him £400 the restaurant where he was working did not admit liability because he was self employed , I am not sure where the £400 came in maybe legal fees. It’s always worth checking with venues who will take responsibility in case of an accident.

Sorry if this seem to burden you with more work I feel fore warned and all lol

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Postby Kevin Cann » Sep 16th, '08, 12:12

I pay £80/year for £2M cover via Towergate brokers(performingarts@towergate.co.uk) or 0870 4115516

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Postby DavMac » Sep 16th, '08, 12:23

Mr Deck wrote:Sorry if this seem to burden you with more work I feel fore warned and all lol


Don't worry it's not any more work then I'd already expected. :)

I know I'm not an overly active poster on here but everyone's help is really appriciated. It's difficult to try and think of everythnig that needs to be done and without the pointers fro mothers would take an age to find everything.

Kevin Cann wrote:I pay £80/year for £2M cover via Towergate brokers(performingarts@towergate.co.uk) or 0870 4115516


Thanks Kevin I'll look into this.


Thanks again everyone.

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