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hello everbody!

im working on a card effect at the moment, actually two card effects, but they both need a solution for one particular problem.

the thing is, i need to force them one card , and im using a one way forcing deck, i have the ability to force with a normal deck, but i prefer if they can take a card out of a spread which feels right to their intuiton.

after they took their card. i have to switch it somehow for a normal deck without that card they took. but this is so difficult!

any ideas?

sometimes i dont have the advantage of a table of a table cloth, sometimes im even standing, i dont know how to get around this problem. even if i put the deck for a second in my pocket, people will remember it and ask for it later.

thank you for your help!

There are millions of ways of deck switching, all fit certain situations best in their own unique way.

even if i put the deck for a second in my pocket, people will remember it and ask for it later.

No, they really won't. If you practise the switch to perfection, they'll never know, especially if you are in the process of doing something else...
If you are using a Marker for a signature, hold the deck in your right hand, reach into your left jacket pocket for the pen and make the switch.

but i prefer if they can take a card out of a spread which feels right to their intuiton.

The classic force with a lot of practise and additional verbal subleties is almost perfect. Why not experiment with that?

thank you for your quick reply.

the thing is, i want to give them something, (like a prediction, but it actually a bonus effect above the real effect) to hold onto while im letting them choose a card.

its really important to emphasise on the fact that i have handed them that "thing" before they actually drew a card out.

so, i cant really risk the possibility that they would choose an indifferent card. so i have to use a one way forcing deck, its more my style anyway(for this trick i mean) because no matter what they have to take out my force card.

after that. im left with the deck. i dont have anything else to work on with. i dont use pens in this effect. i dont have a purpose for putting the deck in my pocket and taking it out again.

the next thing is actually i talk to them, trying to read them and so on.

and i sure dont wanna do the lame ass, "wait, let me get some magic dust out of my pocket" thing

i just want to clear all suspicion, and touch the cards as less as i can.

later on i do something with that thing they had.

I think you've got serious magicians guilt. I suspect you are very self concious when you perform and over estimate what the spectators will notice!

If you don't want to work with the ideas I've given, try this?


http://www.etrickshop.com/Card_Magic-Deck_Switcher_Fantasio.html

cant be too carefull enough..

A magician (forget who) once said how he makes it habit to keep putting his hands in his pockets, so that when he does need to do a switch/dump, it looks inconspicuous

okay, ill try and work on that.

its true though that im worrying a little too much about the problem.

i just wanna streamline the effect as much as i can!

thanks again.

Talking can be enough of an excuse to pocket a deck, especially if you talk with your hands and have something interesting to say. Quick question, though; why are you "reading" if you've already made a prediction?

Probably not what you're looking for because it introduces more business, but you could have four enveloped predictions from which the spec choses, then use returning the other predictions to cover a deck switch.

Do you need to use the deck again, you don't say that you do so do you relly need to worry about a deck switch? If you're really worried then just pop the deck in your pocket as soon as you're finished with it.

Have a card chosen, go into pocket with hand holding the deck, ditch the deck and grab your sharpie. have them sign the card, as you bring out the other deck - job done!

Don't make a move of it or worry about it and it will completely missed by the specs

Carlos75 wrote:Have a card chosen, go into pocket with hand holding the deck, ditch the deck and grab your sharpie. have them sign the card, as you bring out the other deck - job done!
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EXCACTLY what I said

I'd approach this in a different way and completely lose the need for a deck switch.

You can use a normal deck and have the spectator pick ANY card from an in the hands spread and have it be the card you wish to force. It's a move originated by Marlo that involves the c**l and I use it all the time.

If you want to know more about it PM me, as it would be exposure to go into any more detail in public.

Don't rule out a simple force. I use the cross cut all the time and have never had a problem with it. It's deceptive, not overly suspisious looking and by the time that you've finished the trick the specs wont even remember how you had them pick the card anyway.

Annemann 202 methods of forcing is well worth getting. It has many simple, but devious ways avoiding the need for a force deck.

Why not simply have a block of 5 or so force cards and add them to your current deck. You can then use a classic force without fail - or if they still pick the wrong one, peak it by accident and get them to pick again. If you show some impatience, they should take the first card you hand them.