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Hey Guys and Gals,

Hope everybody is getting ready for a magic Xmas

I know (as I seem to do - being a student) I havent been on for a while - uni seems to take over my life for 10 week sets at a time :S, however, in my absence I have still been perfoming and practising stuff in between lectures and what-not, one particular move is the 2nd deal, as described in Expert Card technique (£4, reet bargain from a chraity shop):-O)

However, when I actually show people - namely a magician friend, also from University, who is VERY skilled at the 2nd deal - he said that I was 'see-sawing'...now I have NO IDEA what this means - is it good, bad etc (he didnt go into much detail at all, he just said that I should do some more reading / get a DVD on 2nd dealing and study it like mad).

I really want to get this move looking good - spectators (the few I have shown) and blown away, but this 'see-sawing' seems to be my downfall - even though I am not too suire what it really means. So,I am here to ask if anyone knew of any good dvd's or books regarding the 2nd deal.

NB - If people would rather PM me, to avoid exposure of where to learn this move, or how to better my current understanding of how it works - I will be more than happy to do that.
Also, I have already PM's a mod (Mandrake) to check that this post wont be classed as exposure - however, if anyone would rather I remove it, please contact me, and I will do so

Cheers Guys and Gals in advance, and sorry if this is a waste of time, but Iv seen a lot of 'new magicians' on youtube and the likes, and over xmas so far have had SOOO many people say "you can do this stuff by looking on youtube" - hence why there is no youtube video to accompany this post

Dan

Hi Trevor.

There's no exposure here at all! Youtube can be a great tool if used properly.

I'm not entirely sure what he means by "see sawing", but perhaps I can offer a suggestion.

A mistake I have seen a few times when people are second- or bottom dealing is the tendency to tilt the pack to one side when they deal. I suspect this is probably a subconcious thing - the dealer is attempting to hide the 'dirty' side of the pack from the spectator.
It can be disasterous - not only does it 'tip the gaff' but it can also flash the index of the withheld card when doing so.
After the card is dealt, the pack then goes back to its non-tilted state and I suppose this could look like the pack is see sawing. Maybe this is what he means.

This also means that during the move you are doing something slightly different to a normal deal, and this is going to attract attention.

I hope this helps. Like I say this is just a guess.

EDIT: edited loads of times to add bits and because my 'e' key has just stopped working. Bummer.

If it's rocking your hand back and forth, Darwin Ortiz and Martin Nash are awful dealers

Lenoir wrote:If it's rocking your hand back and forth, Darwin Ortiz and Martin Nash are awful dealers

Specifically what I meant was tilting the pack away from the spectator so that the index of the withheld card is exposed as it is poked out for that brief instant. I've seen this happen and it's very obvious. The same guy (a skilled magician) also did the same with his bottom and revealed his buckling to all.

Marvo Marky wrote:Specifically what I meant was tilting the pack away from the spectator so that the index of the withheld card is exposed as it is poked out for that brief instant.

That is often referred to as necktying (as in bringing the deck up like a necktie when performing the second) and it is very bad. The hand that holds the deck should remain stationary and the deck should be held as perpendicular to the table as is comfortable. The goal, of course, is that there is no noticeable difference in the movements for the false deal or the real one.