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hey everyone,

A magician once showed me a card to wallet effect which I really liked,

he thought me how to do it and i have been practicing and performing it since then.

The palming off goes quite well, but sometimes the spectators do remember my hand going to my back pocket during the routine,, they may have seen it uncounsciously but they didnt expect i was holding their card. but when i show them their card has dissapeared from the deck, the immediatly remember my hand going to the back of my pants so sometimes they scream in advance; oooooh, it must be in your back pocket!!!

which actually creates a frustrating moment because there is no climax.

sometimes it does work,, but sometimes it also doesnt, i dont know how to do it any different. basically its just palming off the top card and just inserting in in my back pocket, really easy method. i just want them to forger my arm ever went to the back, so i had some techniques with repositioning my body, and trying to get the attention somewhere else.

You guys know any better methods or handling on this type of effect?

i would love to hear your opinion about it. so i could create a more smoothly going effect. without any negative side effects about it.

oh yeah i almot forget, i could load the card immediatly in the start of the routine, or i could do it at the end when they are looking at another card. i pref. like doing it in the beginning because more time passes by and i give them the time to forget my arm ever went to my back.

thank u

It's all misdirection, you need to make sure that they're concentrating on something else at the time. Perhaps you could have them look through the deck for their card, that'd be perfect timing to go to your pocket because they and everyone else will be looking at and concentrating on those cards.

yes. dont put your wallet in your back pocket, put it into your inside jacket pocket where it should be.


then you can get the cards out of your pocket to start off, and put them back when you have finished. that way when you go in to get your wallet, you justify every move, and they wont notice.

oops i wrote card to wallet but i actually meant to pocket. sorry about that.

wallet seems a little bit too much for me. pocket is fine sometimes i do slide a card between my wallet just for fun if i have great attention control.

its true its all in misdirection. but what i want to try is to let them be focussed on me aswell. so afterwards they could think; but i didnt take my attention of him once!!

Keep it all a bit free-flowing and grab opportunities as/when they arise. On Friday I was doing tricks for someone and at one point they turned round for a second to see who was coming into the pub. So I used that moment to get their signed card straight into my pocket, with no risk at all. When it was time for the reveal they were blown away because my hand had never been near my pocket at all - as far as they were concerned anyway. Hence a true miracle!

Dai Vernon used to work like this a lot - improvise and "jazz" it as you go along, rather than stick to a fixed routine. It's more fun too!

Figaro wrote:oops i wrote card to wallet but i actually meant to pocket. sorry about that.

wallet seems a little bit too much for me. pocket is fine sometimes i do slide a card between my wallet just for fun if i have great attention control.

its true its all in misdirection. but what i want to try is to let them be focussed on me aswell. so afterwards they could think; but i didnt take my attention of him once!!

id still look at the pocket your going to.
usualy in card to pocket, the card ends up in the front pocket, rather than one at the back.
also, make sure that when your doing it, your not wearing tight slacks, or jeans, because it can be a struggle to get the hand, or the card into it.

i know its not the same prop, but in effect the jumbo coin move i do in

this clip, will show you what i mean...

http://www.talkmagic.co.uk/ftopic29724.php

There are two types of card to pocket, that I use.

Firstly, a routine where the card really is loaded into the pocket and is cleanly pulled out. This is usually used in conjunction with a seperate reveal.
For example, a random card in their cards changes into a first selection and at this point, the second is loaded into the pocket.
As The Stoner mentions, I use this in the way Vernon did. Have multiple cards selected and just "freestyle" the routine, varying the reveals.

The second type, is when the card isn't strictly loaded in. It is just P*lmed off and using the many subleties and methods, it appears to come from the pocket.

There is a card to pocket in RRTC and it is very tasty! Another brilliant one, with similar misdirection can be found in Close Up Card Magic by Harry Lorayne.

The audience remembers you putting your hand in your back pocket because that is not a natural thing for you to do, so it stands out. Unless you frequently put your hands in your back pockets, it will attract attention because it is different from the norm.

Are you holding the deck when you load the card?

When I do my card to wallet, I control and palm the card pretty much the second it's selected, and the straight away give the deck out to be shuffled. My hand then goes into my pocket as I wait for the deck to be shuffled - my other hand gesturing to people that the deck should be passed to to be cut or whatever.

The load takes no time at all (it'd take even less time if I was just doing card to pocket) but I leave my hand in my pocket for a little while, as if I genuinely am just leaving it there whilst I wait, then when they are done shuffling I bring it out to carry on with the effect.

I then do the rest of the trick without touching the cards, and actively say "I don't want to touch the cards". Basically I'm distancing myself from the deck as much as I can (in the eyes of the spectator), so that when the final reveal comes it seems all the more impossible.

Some of this is similar to what has been said, but...

I have three different card-to-pocket scenarios. I only do your type of CtP in one of the three.

(1) I'm going in with the card to pull it out immediately. This isn't your problem case, and this usually doesn't cause any trouble.

(2) I want to exhibit an empty hand and then pull the card out, but it has to work right now. For this, I will load an indifferent card at any point during, well, the entire day I suppose. I go in with a clearly empty hand, show that "their" card is there, put it back, and then go back in right away (but loaded this time) to show them the face. (Suitable patter makes this work just fine.)

(3) (The best case.) I want to exhibit an empty hand and then reach in for the card, but I don't want to have to do the indifferent card dance of #2. This is your situation. My solution: don't require it to work. In other words, do this when you know the misdirections are in place, and do a different reveal when they aren't. I'll switch into a clean CtP reveal when (like in the pub example above) the situation is there for the taking. Basically, I let the situation guide the effect rather than forcing the effect into a situation that I may not have complete control over.

Gratuitous metaphor: If you see there are alligators in the lake, it's fine to cancel your swimming plans and go for a hike instead. They're both nice ways to spend the day, and no one will ever know that you had planned to go swimming except you.

In the other case (switching into a CtP), just yesterday I had p---ed a card and had the spec look through the deck. I wasn't intending to pocket it, but they were sooooo into looking for that card in the deck that I could have gone out for coffee and come back and they would still be focused on that deck. So I slipped the card into the pocket and quickly put my hands up near the deck to help them search.

Serendipity writes that the audience will notice if your hand goes in your pocket. And they WILL!

So, why put it there in the first place? Use your pocket like an ungimmicked wallet and simply do my Anytime Card to Wallet.

If you don't have it, e-mail me and I'll be glad to send it to you (or anyone else who is interested).