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mark lewis wrote:Many of my clients have been to therapists and found them bloody useless. A psychic is often the last resort. Not always the best resort unless they come to me of course. The only snag with psychics is that they are not regulated like therapists and that can be harmful.

Oncology != therapy.

Do try to keep up.

YOU are the one who needs to keep up. I am talking about THERAPISTS not bloody oncologists.

Psychotherapists, counsellors, psychiatrists, psychologists. THAT sort of therapists. I am not in the slightest bit interested in your oncologist friend.

He is probably from darkest Cheshire too and as everyone knows they are not the brightest of people.

mark lewis wrote:YOU are the one who needs to keep up. I am talking about THERAPISTS not bloody oncologists.

Psychotherapists, counsellors, psychiatrists, psychologists. THAT sort of therapists. I am not in the slightest bit interested in your oncologist friend.

He is probably from darkest Cheshire too and as everyone knows they are not the brightest of people.

Oooh look. A rise from Mark Lewis.

As I said -not the brightest of people.

Yeah, oncologists are generally right thickies.

Yeah, medicine degrees, you can pick them up for nothing these days, psychic powers now. Oh they take loads of inteligence.

Why is it ok to debunk pyschics but not magicians....

"Yeah, medicine degrees, you can pick them up for nothing these days, psychic powers now. Oh they take loads of inteligence." Says the want to be mentalist before mentalist harped on about using "body langauge" etc they pretended to be pyschic.

*puts feet up and grabs the popcorn*

That was a joke reponse to mark lewis calling an oncologist stupid not in anyway meant to be taken seriously!

Might I suggest that we try to keep the barbs and attempts to get a rise out of people to the minimum in the interest of keeping what is mostly an interesting discussion open?

Thanks.

Harry Guinness wrote:That was a joke reponse to mark lewis calling an oncologist stupid not in anyway meant to be taken seriously!

well you need emoticons etc :P:P like that.

The skeptics do annoy me in a way "Its just cold reading, its just he gets the info before hand (magicians never ever do that)" Anyway I do like a good debunking of a medium. But the skeptics seem to bleat on and on with the same mantra all the time.

The entertainment Mr Bell and the Legend who is Mark Lewis do is just one street in this town called performance. Bending spoons etc Uri style people love,

"Talking to the dead" is a back alley in Romford on a Saturday night.

I've already discussed the difference between a medium and a psychic, and I think that we can all agree that mediumship is not something that any of us would dream of including in our repertoire. However...

It always amuses me when magicians harp on about mediums being conmen or conwomen, making an easy buck off poor unsuspecting innocents, then driving off in their big flash cars.

I work with a lot of mediums and trust me, if I was a conman the one job I wouldn't consider would be that of a medium. Have you any idea how much balls it takes to stand up in front of 200 strangers in a village hall in some god-forsaken mining village with nothing to protect you from the wrath of your audience but your talents as a medium? Honestly, you really have to believe in what you're doing and believe that your "gift" is real to do that.

Most mediums scrape by money-wise. Most work on the spiritualist church circuit where payment is by donation only - normally £5 per reading. Plus you have to address the congregation beforehand free of charge. Mediums I know travel hundreds of miles to work at a "church" only to do 4 readings and pootle off home in their 20 year old cars having made another loss on the night.

No, if I was a conman I'd sell non-existant property abroad or sleep with wealthy millionairesses. The last thing I would do would be embark on a career as a medium.

They may be misguided, they may be crackers, they may even (who knows) be right, but the one thing most mediums are not is heartless crooks.

We should organise the great Talk Magic mediumship demonstration. We should hire a community hall in, oh, let's say Barnsley. Advertise a "Night of Mediumship" and sell tickets at £5 a pop. Have the bar open from early doors so the audience can get nice and warmed up. Then have a magician who thinks mediumship is easy go out onto stage (well actually there'll be no stage, just the same floor that the audience are on) and show us all what a breeze it is. If the magician gets away with it and manages to fool the audience who go away happy, we can donate all proceeds to charity or even give the audience their money back. If the magician fails, well, Barnsley General Hospital isn't too far away. Any takers willing to give it a go?

Was with you untill you said charity, I am all ways saying to skeptics do you know how difficult cold reading actually is?

I've seen mediums get slaughtered, absolutely slaughtered, by drunken audiences. But what do they do? After a night that would leave me in tears and deciding on new career at my local Spar? They pick themselves up, jump in the car, and head to the next gig the following night. You honestly could not do it unless you sincerely believed you were on a "glorious mission" to spread the word.

There are perhaps 6 to 12 mediums at the top of the pile who make a decent living out of it. The rest are just plodding away doing "demonstrations" for less money than most professional magicians charge for an hour.

I'm not condoning them or justifying them. The point that needs to be made is that they believe what they are doing is right, and they work bloody hard because they believe it is their religious calling to do so.

With regard to the comment about psychics being intelligent I venture to say that a good psychic has to be VERY intelligent. This is not a business for the intellectually challenged.

The JREF people certainly wouldn't have the capability to do it.