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I've posted it here because its not quite magic but does fit in with magic in some aspects. There is alot of misuse about NLP where some performers cover tricks using gaffs or prepeared routeins by sayint that they used NLP, read the specs body language/mind or whatever to complete the effect. But on the otherhand NLP can be used genuinley to enhance magic and yes, to read body language to a certain extent although not 100% effective unless the performer is highly skilled in this area.
I was just wondering if anyone else here has looked into this area of "people-reading" to use a word. I've been reading about this subject for only about 2-3 months and it is a fascinating area, took along time to get my head around the whole thing but did give me a different perspective on performance. If anyone else has looked into NLP, what are your thoughts?

Yeah, I'm actually a certified NLP practitioner and as you say it's a facinating subject and very useful in many area's of life and indeed magic. Personally as of yet I've not got into mentalism, so have not used NLP in particular for my magic. I'm sure when I get around to mentalism, I will use my NLP.

Ah Interesting, What did u have to do to become a certified practitoner? I've seen courses advertised but what do they entail, although i have alot of text to digest on the subject i'd like to take it further in the future.

Well the courses vary, in how long they take, some are in blocks, others are over an extended time using long weekends. You need to check the individual course. They are usually quite expensive often between 2 and 3 thousand pounds. They are done in a kind of workshop situation, where you will have a group of people and after a teaching session, it is usual to be paired off, or in small groups to practise what you have just been taught. Different courses will have a different empahisis, so it's worth finding out more about the teachers. It is common for hypnosis to be at least touched upon, though on some courses this may be a significan't part. Reading people is not a major part of it, ( though is covered ) only in so far as being able to get in rapport with them, although eye accessing cues are covered in a fair degree of detail.

Hope that helps

HT

Thousands, bloody hell. Cheers for that mate, one other question. In searching out courses, in your oppinion what would be the most important things to look for when choosing?

Cheers

Well mate, it largely depends on what you want. It needs to be an ANLP reconised course, that's pretty essential. Then if price is an issue that could well determine the course that you did, the cheapest I know of is around £1,400 and is a place near Birmingham. It also would give you a qualification in Time Line therapy. If on the other hand you want to explore hypnosis in more depth there are courses that will do that, ( though I wouldn't do the Paul Mckenna one ) basically they will all cover the same ground on the NLP side, though some like the Birmingham one do it in less time, which has it's pro's and cons.

Cheers mate, ill have a good look around and do a more reasearch of my own. Just out of curiosity, what got you into NLP?

Sorry mate I didn't notice your last post.

It was a combination of Anthony Robbins books that I really enjoyed and my girlfriend being a counseller. Of course it was also a subject that I found facinating.

Aaaah, Better late than never, Anthony Robbins? Ill do a quick net seach, Did you see Derren B on friday. Would the taxidriver thing be classed as Pattern Interuption and slight suggestion, (small car, cant find the wheel) clever and thoroughly interesting..

Is pattern interuption classed as NLP? I thought it'd would be more to do with hypnosis, even though the two areas over lap at certain points.

There is an area in NLP where therapists interupt a clients pattern to induce a very slight hypnosis type state, from here the theapist can induce a subconsious suggestion to reprogram a clients pattern. But not as simply put as that!

No as far as I could see it was done by Anchoring to a state of confusion and then firing the anchor along with embedded commands such as "Couldn't find it" "lost all day"

If I've said too much can any passing Mod edit as they see fit

If I've said too much can any passing Mod edit as they see fit

I probably would - if I understood what you're all talking about!

I'll now show my complete ignorance of this topic - I watched the DB programme and I can't see where he would have had the time to 'take control' or whatever to the extent that a seasoned London cabbie would forget the location of such a Touristy item as the Eye. I'm not saying it was faked or anything but there just didn't seem time to assess the driver, see how well or otherwise he would respond to any jiggery pokery so there must be a lot on the cutting room floor. I've also watched the Mind Control tapes where he makes travelers on the London Underground forget which station they're traveling to. Again, I don't see anything indicating inducing a hypnotic state or similar. There are only two explanations: a) All Londoners have very shallow memories! b) Derren is damned good at what he does! or c) I can't count.

Aaah, I see. Do you think derren banging on the perspex behind the driver was of any relevace then?

The most insignificant of things can probably have great importance but I've banged on cab widows before now and the driver never forgot anything as a result!

If a hypnotic suggestion were already planted so that when the window was banged the knowledge of where the Eye was located would be forgotten then it would be of great significance. There must be a lot of footage edited out where the crew were installing cameras, mikes and so on so who knows what else took place. As I say, I don't doubt that the effect was genuine at all. I can follow the reasoning of building up suggestion after suggestion using body language, gestures, special words etc. to influence a spectator but surely this would need a bit of time to build on and 'install' properly? (I know, don't call me Shirley!). if such a state can be induced in a total stranger in such a short time then I think we're all in deep trouble! Which ever way it's done, I'm enjoying it though.