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themagicwand wrote:Princess Bride - totally ace!

"Inconceivable!"

"You keep on using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

It does make you look at the physical image of Mark Lewis in a new light, doesn't it?

Why anyone would include KRULL on their list is beyond me however... it got horrid support when it was released. But when it comes to this kind of fantasy film I'd have to agree with Dark Crystal, Princess Bride, and Labyrinth but toss in Dragon Slayer, Dragon Heart, Wizards, and most certainly the original Star Wars Trilogy with Mark, Harrison & Carrie...

of course, you have Space Balls, Spamalot, the History of the World and a handful of other classics to consider as well


Does this post make me look like a Sci-Fi/Fantasy geek? :shock:

The Dark Crystal, definitely. Although you can't appreciate it fully without reading the companion book The World of the Dark Crystal. It's amazing how much thought and design went into planning that world, much of which barely made it onto the screen.

I've seen Labyrinth once or twice and it's OK, but never did much for me one way or another.

Krull is a fantasy masterclass, of sorts, since it manages to include pretty much every cliche in the book. I had the video game as well, which I played a lot despite the fact that it tended to get boring towards the end. (You had to find out which direction the castle was in, then get there in time to reach it before it vanished at daybreak. If you weren't fast enough, you had to go all the way back to the oracle and find out where it was this time. And so on and so on, many times.)

I believe (though I've been far removed from that world for a while) that KRULL is part of that "Cult Classic" genre in which it is so bad that it's awesome... kind of like Plan 9 from Outerspace and Tank Girl.

To admit to playing the video game to Krull however... now that's just going to make you appear to be far older than I thought you were, Robbie

sword and the sorcerer (lee horsely from Mattlock 'fame'), and
Excalibur

these are two of my favourite films of that ilk...EXcalibur especially for the portrayal of Merlin in such an imaginative way...

oh and helen mirrum...

CGI looks like brilliant cartooning. The old stuff looks real. That's the difference. I loved Labyrinth and The Never Ending Story - and Excaliber is my all-time favourite movie.

C.G.I Takes the special out of special effects.

daleshrimpton wrote:C.G.I Takes the special out of special effects.

Seconded! Look at the original Star Wars and the all new c*** (not the best) Star Wars. No contest. Whoever thought of Jar Jar Binks wants shooting.

Having said that, the new Star Trek movie is so well done, it's easy to pretend they still use bottle tops and sellotape to make the models

Thunderbirds with CGI

Excalibur is superb. Knights in shining armour and sword and sorcery of the highest quality. Love it.

daleshrimpton wrote:C.G.I Takes the special out of special effects.

I have to second that motion...

Though I love CGI when it is used at the subtle level I tend to detest the idea of going to see "a film" in which 90% of it is animation and yet, it's not being sold as such. The last King Kong remake with Jack Black & Co. is a wonderful demonstration of getting carried away with the animation add ins; Awesome work with the monkey and creating Old New York, etc. but far too many Dinos and over-sized bugs that lent little (other than wearing the audience out) to the film

The more recent Star Wars trilogy is another demonstration where a bit too much was "put there" just because it was possible rather than because it made sense and helped the film. What proves that Lucas lost his mind was the add-ons to the original three films. Especially scenes in which the orignally MASSIVE Jabba the Hut is seen to be right at six foot tall and strolling down the street... it's in conflict with the original image and related shock value we got in seeing giant slug that controlled everything.

I'm just worried about the last three films to that series in which Mark, Harrison and Carrie take reprise of their original characters in older life, guiding the construction of a new world and government, the Jedi Academy, etc. Then we get those ugly rumors that someone wants to remake the first three and bring them "up to date"

NEWS FLASH... no one has ever been successful in re-doing the Wizard of Oz, Gone with the Wind or most any of the other "Classics" in film history. Wait until all of those that knew the original are gone and then maybe you can dive into such an experiment.

errrr


CGI is awesome technology but it's time for it (and the artists that use it) to grow up a bit and strive to use it for good rather than acts of public exhibitionism and in so doing, allow (insist on) Actors actually being ACTORS instead of being a voice or face that you can manipulate within an animated adventure.

But hey, we're involved in an industry in which 30 years ago the screams & moans centered on Copperfield's use of "Creative Video Editing" weren't only ignored, but the technique exploited so much so that we now have a handful of sidewalk supposed-to-bes as the end result... I can't wait to hear them justifying the added use of CGI for their video footage and TV specials, claiming that it's just like using Black-art in a stage show

Craig Browning wrote:I'm just worried about the last three films to that series in which Mark, Harrison and Carrie take reprise of their original characters in older life, guiding the construction of a new world and government, the Jedi Academy, etc. Then we get those ugly rumors that someone wants to remake the first three and bring them "up to date"

That would be a monumental mistake. They should leave the characters as we fondly remember them. As for a remake. Which lunatic thinks they can improve upon the original? Surely, not Lucas

It's the same mistake they made with Indiana Jones 4. If it had been done not too long after the last one, it wouldn't be so bad. But, an aging Ford just didn't look comfortable in the role this time and it ruined the movie. His spark wasn't there and the performance was lacklustre as a result. I grew up with the likes of Star Wars and Indiana Jones and wish they'd just learn to quit while they are ahead.

Lucas is a revisionist thus none of his work is safe. He will gladly go back and redo things so that they fit his current vision of the world.

Spielberg isn't a revisionist so much but he's also not a protectionist. So if someone else wants to get into his movie and muck it about he will let them.

Its the movie studio's that are the problem. What Charlie and the Chocolate factory is 10 years old? Do we think parents will take their kids ? Well lets spend 20 million to update it and see if we can get 120 million after box office and after market sales.

They have no drive but the money and unless you are a protectionist then it will get redone.

Spielberg has already edited and messed around with ET. I just don't understand their reasoning - it would be like Da Vinci repainting the Mona Lisa because someone in Florence had invented a new type of paint.

I think remaking classic films should be banned. What's the point?* Have writers run out of ideas for original scripts? Just leave it be, move on and come up with something else.

* I realise the answer to this is probably "money".

When Spielberg edited ET it was because he now had 'daughters' and didn't like the intensity some of the aspects of the film gave.

Sadly it was embraced by the liberal side of the US as, "He got rid of the guns kids don't need to see guns."

However people seem to miss the, 'You are harboring an Alien and the government shows up with guns.' reality check going on.

Sadly there are only 6 original story line ideas. Past that its mix and match and different angles but the core plot stays the same.

Craig Browning wrote:To admit to playing the video game to Krull however... now that's just going to make you appear to be far older than I thought you were, Robbie

Ha! My age is just to the left for all to see, having just recently clicked up by one more digit.
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What still makes me go goggle-eyed is the realisation that there are proper, more or less grown-up people out there who have fond memories of playing their first video games at the age of three or four!