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As mentioned in the birthday thread I was bought season 2&3. I had already seen season 2 and was a little disappointed (the absent writers were more than apparent) season 3 is fantastic so far though (reached the end of disc 5 of 6 last night), I cannot stop watching them.

Undecided as to whether I am happy two of my favourite characters have been nerfed, namely Peter and Hiro but Sylar has come in to his own.

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One minor niggle though, I may have missed the explanation. When Ando "boosts" Daphne so she can run faster than light and collect Hiro from the past how do they get back to the present day? They use relativity to explain travelling back in time, faster than light etc. but no explanation of coming back.
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I know scientifically travelling back is as equally unlikely as the travelling forward but at least the basic principle is sound. I know it should not be annoying me as much as it is but I cannot help it, so if I missed their explanation, please share!

on the back of your last statement, Whilst physycal time travel is tricky, Its more than theoreticaly possible that one day we will be able to observe the past.

all you would need to do is, invent a telescope, which has an infinate focal range. then send that telescope, a thousand light years away.

the light that reached the telescope, would be from a thousand years ago.
Film that image, and bring the telescope back... and you have created a machine that has effectivly captured time, as it happened .

daleshrimpton wrote:on the back of your last statement, Whilst physycal time travel is tricky, Its more than theoreticaly possible that one day we will be able to observe the past.

all you would need to do is, invent a telescope, which has an infinate focal range. then send that telescope, a thousand light years away.

the light that reached the telescope, would be from a thousand years ago.
Film that image, and bring the telescope back... and you have created a machine that has effectivly captured time, as it happened .

Yes, however at the speed of light it would take 1,000 years to get the telescope 1,000 light years away so you would only be looking at yourself, then you need to get the film back to Earth which takes another 1,000 years at the speed of light, so you take 2,000 years to observe what is happening right now, it would be easier to record it with a camcorder and leave it in a box for 2,000 years .

I am just being picky though, I accept what you are saying and process should work even if it would be very difficult to actually use for any purpose. You would need to find a way to traverse the 1,000 lights years (or whatever distance) instantly, maybe with Rosen Bridge's.

To come back to my original point though, in Heroes it is implied she runs faster than light therefore travels back in time, ignoring the physical constraints of special relativity that would make this bordering on downright impossible, let us assume that this is sound.

The question is how does someone who can run fast go forwards again, this is the part of the show that they never bother to explain... which annoys me... more than is healthy.

I've had real problems getting past the very first episode where the evolutionary biologist character states that humans only use 10% of their brains. He then proceeds to talk so much c*** (not the best) that it felt like the writers of the show had the same understanding of evolution as creationists.

I have tried to watch more of it and I'm sure if I made an effort I could actually like it but as far as scientific plausability goes with the show, I think the best advice is to shut your brain off and ignore the little voice in your head that keeps on shouting: 'stop getting science wrong'.

I've just started watching Defying Gravity and I'm having the same problem. Why on earth would anyone build the most sophisticated space ship ever built but not put a motor on the cable attached to space walking astronauts?! Why does everyone appear to have psychological problems? Does NASA not do psychological evaluations on their people in the future?

Heroes = brilliant IMO. I love it.

Forget about the sciency part pf your brain...it's more fun that way

How else could you enjoy such films as "Wanted" otherwise?

A J Irving wrote:'stop getting science wrong'

This made me laugh a little bit out loud!

I largely do "forget" to acknowledge the science bits on the basis that they do not generally use scientific principles to try and back it up HOWEVER in this circumstance they did specifically state why they could travel back in time by mentioning Einstein and relativity, however they did not bother explaining how they were supposed to get back.

The only programme that appears to use proper science, or at least give a plausible and valid nod in it's direction (with the exception of explosions in a vacuum of course) is Star Trek. I distinctly remember the teleporters having a problem with the "Heisenberg Compensators" and dodgy acting aside when the "Inertial Dampeners" were offline it at least had an effect, even if that affect was not Picard being splatted like a fly on the view screen.

I can highly recommend Heroes though (obviously), it's a bit like 24 with X-Men.

A_n_t wrote:As mentioned in the birthday thread I was bought season 2&3. I had already seen season 2 and was a little disappointed (the absent writers were more than apparent) season 3 is fantastic so far though (reached the end of disc 5 of 6 last night), I cannot stop watching them.

Wow, just wait until you see the exciting series finale!

I really loved the first series, and even that dropped the ball a couple of times (the somewhat anti-climactic Kirby Plaza battle, for example).

The other two just haven't hit the spot; too much filler, not enough action. There's a reason pretty much every issue of a comic has a fight. I'm sure that the budget plays a part, but sometimes you just have to stick to the genre.

daleshrimpton wrote:Film that image, and bring the telescope back... and you have created a machine that has effectivly captured time, as it happened .

Yes, but because a telescope has mass, it can't travel anywhere near light speed, so the rest of the light from the captured image would have arrived at Earth and been appreciated long before the telescope ever could.

I love this show and I don't get why people get annoyed by the science behind the powers. When people start turning into ice and shooting fire out of their hands, science has obviously left the building.
My only admittedly petty gripe with the show is why can't they come up with original powers? As a long standing comic geek I'm sick of all same old powers getting used ad nausieam. Which really came to a head for me when the scientist randomly got spider man powers. I mean how did they not get sued for that? Marvel loves suing people.

Jean Eugene Roberts wrote:I love this show and I don't get why people get annoyed by the science behind the powers. When people start turning into ice and shooting fire out of their hands, science has obviously left the building.
My only admittedly petty gripe with the show is why can't they come up with original powers? As a long standing comic geek I'm sick of all same old powers getting used ad nausieam. Which really came to a head for me when the scientist randomly got spider man powers. I mean how did they not get sued for that? Marvel loves suing people.

GAH! I've not got to the end of Season 3 yet!!!! Did not know about the Spidey powers!

To be fair though, thinking of completely original super powers is as easy as thinking of completely new magic effects. With such a precedence set, true originality is virtually impossible.

It's not that I generally sit analysing the science and I do let most things slide but this was a direct reference to science as a solution which only makes sense one way. It just seems to me like the writers were sat around going;

"Okay let's strand Hiro in the past with no powers."
"Cool."
"We need to get him back somehow though without him having his powers, for other story lines we have decided."
"Ok... Well Daphne can run really fast, what if she somehow runs faster than light and travels back in time?"
"Cool, that will work. End of day too, just in time!"

The second season was severely lacking in places due to the writers strike which is probably why this one bit niggles me so much from season 3 because apart from this (so far) it has been excellent.

Sorry about the reveal, and I do agree that Daphnie saveing Hiro was a bit lazy.
However as for original powers, since last posting I've come up with,

1.Blood control (telikinetic control over blood) Can give you a hart attack, pop a blood vessel in your brain, give you an erection at a really awkward moment or drain you dry from one cut.
2.Dead flesh, living bones. The character would smell bad and not be much of a talker but otherwise nigh invulnerable.
3.Damage transfer. You cut this guy and the scar ends up on you.
4.I.Q drain. No one is smarter than this guy, not for long anyway.
5.Undeniably likeable. You can't help but like this guy so he can literally get away with murder. Syler won't want to harm him and he could probably get every hero to work for him without trying.
I'll stop now before it gets really sad, but overall I'm just a humble magician and I've come with five in less than a day. Heros has a whole team of writers and comic nerds who have only come up with one new power in 4 years.

Jean Eugene Roberts wrote:Sorry about the reveal, and I do agree that Daphnie saveing Hiro was a bit lazy.
However as for original powers, since last posting I've come up with,

1.Blood control (telikinetic control over blood) Can give you a hart attack, pop a blood vessel in your brain, give you an erection at a really awkward moment or drain you dry from one cut.

Could this not be achieved by Matt's telepathy or standard telekinesis?

2.Dead flesh, living bones. The character would smell bad and not be much of a talker but otherwise nigh invulnerable.

This is not particularly different to Claire, except she's nice to look at, unlike your scary zombie image...!

3.Damage transfer. You cut this guy and the scar ends up on you. [
4.I.Q drain. No one is smarter than this guy, not for long anyway.

Liking both of these, although damage transfer is reminisce of the Red Dwarf episode Justice and IQ drain of Batman Forever and the Riddler.

5.Undeniably likeable. You can't help but like this guy so he can literally get away with murder. Syler won't want to harm him and he could probably get every hero to work for him without trying.

I think they have done this, someone who's charisma was overwhelming but it was also done in the Twilight series. It was Jeremy's ability.

I'll stop now before it gets really sad, but overall I'm just a humble magician and I've come with five in less than a day. Heros has a whole team of writers and comic nerds who have only come up with one new power in 4 years.

I think I''ll also stop before it get's much sadder but true originality is very difficult.

Back to Heroes - Has Season 4 been shown where you are already? I wait for them to come out on DVD first before watching them all and does not appear to have been released yet.

My friend has a complete T.V package I watch them with him.

While it's true that blood control can also be done with T.K what about the haitian's ability? Matt could psychicly turn off people's ability and drain memorys. My point is while people have done pyrokeinisis or ecokeinisis or hydrokeinisis no-ones ever done hemokeinisis so I consider it original damn your eyes.

I do see what you mean about the red dawf thing and the riddlers brain box however those are both done with technology and are not a power. If your going to hit me with semantics I can throw it right back at you.

The dead flesh thing isn't a healing power but it is quite close to zombies I admit however zombies are undead this guy is alive but only his bones.

I never watched twilight but I concede the likeable power as done before knocking me down to 4 powers. (wasn't there also a likeable power in red dwarf?) Well done you feel like a big man now? Crushing my dream I've had all afternoon to become the youngest writer on heroes?

Oh by the way hows this for an origonal power not mine but still good
http://www.ohnorobot.com/index.pl?s=pup ... =0&d=0&t=0

Jean Eugene Roberts wrote:Oh by the way hows this for an origonal power not mine but still good
http://www.ohnorobot.com/index.pl?s=pup ... =0&d=0&t=0

Excellent!!!

However (although granted achieved with technology) was something similar not achieved in the Prestige with the Tesla device... hahaha

I need to get out more.