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I have recently received a small copper Chop Cup that I order and it came with all the stuff it said it would. However the "gimmick" is not "powerful" enough; how can I solve this problem.... without making the gimmick too powerful?


Tom
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send it back...

Or learn to use the gimmick properly.

Try playing with more balls, some work better than others.

Chris Tennant

Hi Tom. Are you using the balls that were supplied with the cup ? When you say its not strong enough, do you mean its not sticking at all ? Its unusual for them not to work together if theyre sold as a set. If this is so you should contact the dealer and let them know, they should rectify the problem. jim

jim ferguson wrote:Hi Tom. Are you using the balls that were supplied with the cup ? When you say its not strong enough, do you mean its not sticking at all ? Its unusual for them not to work together if theyre sold as a set. If this is so you should contact the dealer and let them know, they should rectify the problem. jim

I purchased this:
http://www.dudethatscoolmagic.co.uk/aca ... html#aA748


I am using the ball that came with it, but the second I turn the cup more than 40 degrees, it rolls out. There is SOME attraction... but not enough, not by a long shot.

According to the instructions I am meant to be able to hold it upside down without the "gimmicked ball" falling out... and that is totally impossible.

Yes you should be able to hold it upside down. Contact the dealer and send them back for a replacement. Morrisey cups are usually good quality and this is unusual.

This might sound like a silly question but have you tried it with the other ball ? as only one of them will work. jim

jim ferguson wrote:Yes you should be able to hold it upside down. Contact the dealer and send them back for a replacement. Morrisey cups are usually good quality and this is unusual.

This might sound like a silly question but have you tried it with the other ball ? as only one of them will work. jim

I will thanks, good advice. I think I shall get the larger cup next time however if I can.

And yes, I've tried it with both balls. Its clear which one it is; because it "half sticks", but even a slight tilt to the side and it falls right out.

The...thingies...might have misaligned. Try rubbing it against a magnet (IB)

Ted wrote:Or learn to use the gimmick properly.

PRICELESS!

I've not had this problem with an alluminium Morrissey cup but the Copper Morrisey cups are diferent for some reason. I've had two of the Coppoer cups (one returned for the current one) and both had exactly the same problem.

The problem was solved by buying a new and slightly larger set of balls that are of a better quality to those supplied as standard. Not had a problem since.

This ay be worth you tring out if your second copy has the same problem, assumng that you're usig it properly

I am sure I am using it correctly, as I am being personally taught by a great friend of mine who is a master of both the Chop Cup and Cups and Balls.


Tom
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Eshly wrote:I am sure I am using it correctly, as I am being personally taught by a great friend of mine who is a master of both the Chop Cup and Cups and Balls.

Tom
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Wow! You can afford Michael Ammar as a coach?!

Some Chop Cups require you to literally "slam" them on the table while others require a lighter touch (I had one set where a simple tap on the top released the gimmick). There are likewise those finicky cups that require you to set the cup down firmly, but at a slight angle.

Each of these factors (and more) are the sort of thing any "Master" of the Chop Cup, let alone Cups & Balls, would know and more so, know how to work around.

Then again, if he's a genuine "Master" of the C&B he should be slapping your hand and telling you to get away from relying on that gaffed cup and learn how to do the C&B without such gaffs. Trust me, when you learn to do the C&B "straight" THEN you are ready to start creating a sound act in which the gaffed cup is incorporated as an "bonus"... I know of a few guys that actually switched out and (secretly) bring in the gaffed cup AFTER doing the standard C&B routine so they could move into the Chop Cup sequence.

I've owned at least six different Chop C&B sets made from top end as well as low end sources, each unit having it's own temperament and "challenges" that you must learn to over-come. Which brings us right back to what Ted and I were pointing out -- you need to learn how to work with the prop rather than whining about something being "wrong" with it.

I'll go one more step on this point; in sitting down with three world renowned Masters (Dai Vernon, John Platt and Albert Goshman) and discussing as well as working out handlings with the C&B every one of them forbade me of using the gaffed cup... same rings true with certain of my contemporaries that have award winning C&B routines, so I'd have to say that there is something to it, wouldn't you?

Ive found that the alluminium Morrissey cup that Ive had for many years, has sudenly stopped being atractive. But Its probably got more to do with the balls, than the cup.

now as to the ball tipping out as you go past 45%., Remember.. in regular cups and balls, the ball stays in when you put the cup down, so try and treat the chop cup, in the same way you would handle an un chopped cup.
That way, if things do happen to come unstuck, your still going to be on the ball.

Craig Browning wrote: Which brings us right back to what Ted and I were pointing out -- you need to learn how to work with the prop rather than whining about something being "wrong" with it.

In this instance I have to say i do not agree with that statement (the actual statement is good advice, but in the context of this post i think it is unfair).

The guy bought a prop that was FAULTY, asked our advice, and was told to learn to use it properly Yes the effect can be performed with sleight of hand but that is not the point. The fact is he has paid for a gimmick. I am quite sure if he wanted to do a pure sleight version he would have purchased an ungimmicked (and cheaper ) cup. If we bought an ID and opened them to find they hadnt been rou**ed, would we just shrug our shoulders and go away and learn one of the ungimmicked versions ? I think not. Most, if not all of us would be straight on the phone !

He payed for a gimmicked prop which didnt work, he should therefor get (and be entitled to) a replacement that does work. jim