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IAIN wrote:
yeah i agree - shame though that people dont want to do the donation thing more often in other ways...

and, as there's 700,000 plus people involved, if they all gave a fiver...well...maybe my maths is wrong, but that would be more than the 47,000 given...

Indeed it would, but unfortunately we don't live in such a world! I guarantee a large proportion of those who have donated wouldn't have were it not for this campaign, which is a little sad, but it's drawn attention to the charity. And at least those who have donated seem to be giving more than they paid for the song!

IAIN wrote:don't for one minute think that you are making a stand for music by voting for this Rage Against the Machine christmas number 1 thing, that you are doing anything other than giving MORE money to a faceless roe squirting corporation...

It's pretty hard to do anything much these days without giving money to a faceless corporation. Do you shop at supermarkets? Do you buy petrol?

I think buying a record that's been written and recorded by a band who got together with the idea of making music and seeing how far they can go with it, compared to buying a record by a fame hungry puppet with a desperately mediocre voice who'll probably never write a song in is life and is manufactured by a man who's single handedly responsible for the current pop charts being awash with bubblegum disposable sh*te(breathe), IS a stand for music.

Though i may be in the minority there.

i reckon those kids do want to make it, genuinely...just dont know how to and see those shows as a way in...

and so you know, i've played and taught guitar for over twenty years, run clubs and hired local bands for nearly ten, and have designed and flyered all kinds of posters and cd covers for local groups...

i am easily in the top 10 all time music snobs you'll ever find...and i think the corporation thing is a far bigger issue than one that can be discussed here without it exploding (The Corporation dvd is the scariest doc i've ever seen)....

IAIN wrote:The Corporation dvd

Is this it?

Sounds interesting, may have to buy it.

Cracking film that. And yes, it's very unsettling.

Iain, if you're in the top 10 then i assure you you're rubbing shoulders with me.

One of my favourite artists is Cardiacs, and their frontman Tim Smith said "There's nothing wrong with any kind of band in the world. Whatever they play. Musical prejudice is the worst thing in the world."

I couldn't disagree more.

IAIN wrote:The Corporation dvd is the scariest doc i've ever seen

True. It's horrifying. A corporation isn't just a legal entity, it's legally a person, with the same rights granted to emancipated US slaves, if I remember correctly.

The irony is, the x-factor's competitor (Strictly come dancing) has truely talented singers far superiour than any of the gurning half-wits that parade across our screens begging for stardom on Cowell's show.

They did it - young joe is the Xmas no. 2

EPIC WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and they've promised to play a free uk gig as well

a quote from Luke Lewis:

"Rage Against The Machine wrote the song about the racism deeply embedded in American society - the police officers who "burn crosses" are closet members of the Ku Klux Klan. You can't imagine [lead singer] Zack de la Rocha - a man so committed to leftist social activism he has worked closely with Mexico's Zapatista National Liberation Army, and once declared US Presidents should be shot as war criminals - would be too delighted to discover his howl of anti-establishment rage had been co-opted by a bunch of bored Brits on Twitter."

IAIN wrote:a quote from Luke Lewis:

"Rage Against The Machine wrote the song about the racism deeply embedded in American society - the police officers who "burn crosses" are closet members of the Ku Klux Klan. You can't imagine [lead singer] Zack de la Rocha - a man so committed to leftist social activism he has worked closely with Mexico's Zapatista National Liberation Army, and once declared US Presidents should be shot as war criminals - would be too delighted to discover his howl of anti-establishment rage had been co-opted by a bunch of bored Brits on Twitter."

I heard Zach on Radio 5 the other day, and he and the rest of the band are loving it. Shows what Luke Lewis knows.

Personally, I'm loving it. You can sit there and ask what it achieves and who it really affects but you're missing the point. Rage NUMBER ONE. Second rate karaoke singer NUMBER TWO. Merry Xmas Simon.

I was under the impression that Simon makes money from it anyway? Seeing as he practically owns Rages's label.

Lenoir wrote:I was under the impression that Simon makes money from it anyway? Seeing as he practically owns Rages's label.

A lot are under this impression and its wrong. Simon Cowell owns Syco Records which are part of Sony BMG. So if anything Sony own him. Cowell works for them by presenting his acts to the label. Rage are signed to Epic which are under the Sony umbrella too, but Sony have no reason to go sharing the profits from the number one with Cowell unless they really want to.

I'm delighted. Although all I've heard since is complaining - people whinging that this is somehow hurting independent labels (as if all the money that was being spent on this race was meant to go to My Kung Fu or Fierce Panda) or that it's all going to corporations (like every other penny you spend). Rubbish. Rage are an excellent band and always have been, and I love them almost as much as I hate the X-Factor and anyone who watches, enjoys, or knows of it.

Sure, we could have all rallied behind an indie act. But as much as I'd like to have seen Die! Die! Die! or mclusky get the Christmas #1, that was never going to happen. It needed something big that everyone knows otherwise it would never have come together and we'd be basking in the glow of an X-Factor victory as we speak. I was gutted when a similar campaign last year didn't get Buckley to #1, but if it was going to happen this year, better Rage than Billy X-Factor or Rolf bloody Harris.