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Postby magicollie » Apr 9th, '10, 22:01



dup wrote:Magicollie -

Sorry, but I'm not sure what exactly your question is. I guess I simply haven't gotten to that part in Corinda :>

Sam -

My preffered routine, which works perfectly so far, is to ask them to think of a word, any word.
No, not that one. Try something more ordinary, less exotic. Good, good.
Now, do you know about visual memory? We're going to imprint the word in the visual part of your brain, so that it stays for as long as possible.
[I draw a sun on a piece of paper]
Write your word in the middle of the sun. Now look carefully at the paper, and remember the entire image. Don't think of the word as letters combined, but try to retain the shape of the letters, the straight and curvy lines. Got it? Great, now lets destroy the paper, so that there will be no trickery involved !

So far it works flawlessly, every time, which I wish I could say about most mentalism effects I've tried.


Really nice handling and I have updated my post so there is more information.My reason for them writing it down is to show everyone else what the word is.Always works and is logical which means noone questions it.

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Postby dup » Apr 9th, '10, 22:05

In that case, why not go with a billet pen / knife?

I have a feeling there is too much revealing in this thread, though...

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Postby magicollie » Apr 9th, '10, 22:06

dup wrote:In that case, why not go with a billet pen / knife?

I have a feeling there is too much revealing in this thread, though...


Because Im trying to invent a new method,If there is to much revealing them please tell me what I can edit and I will,thank you.

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Postby IAIN » Apr 9th, '10, 22:08

don't try and invent a new method...

those kinds of things happen by accident mainly...

concentrate on the presentation and what the punters see as well as remember (sometimes two different things)....thats all...

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Postby magicollie » Apr 9th, '10, 22:16

IAIN wrote:don't try and invent a new method...

those kinds of things happen by accident mainly...

concentrate on the presentation and what the punters see as well as remember (sometimes two different things)....thats all...


I see what you mean but I was thinking the other day "what if the spectator opens the envelope they signed themselves and took out the prediction instead of the magician" which is what lead to this.

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Postby dup » Apr 9th, '10, 22:21

That's why you gotta take control of the situation from the second you go into the room.

I suspect it would help if you turn the scene into a public one. For example, before having the editor open the safe, ask for the secretaries to come into the room to serve as witnesses. Then ask one of THEM open the safe and take out the envelope. Ask her to feel it and make sure it's closed and so on. Then take it from her, rip it open with a pen or a knife, and hand it to the editor.

Then again, it all sounds a bit old fashioned. There has to be some kind of a billet-email...

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Postby magicollie » Apr 9th, '10, 22:28

dup wrote:That's why you gotta take control of the situation from the second you go into the room.

I suspect it would help if you turn the scene into a public one. For example, before having the editor open the safe, ask for the secretaries to come into the room to serve as witnesses. Then ask one of THEM open the safe and take out the envelope. Ask her to feel it and make sure it's closed and so on. Then take it from her, rip it open with a pen or a knife, and hand it to the editor.

Then again, it all sounds a bit old fashioned. There has to be some kind of a billet-email...


Billet email!I love it! :D .What I want to be is the effect below.

Before having the editor open the safe, ask for the secretaries to come into the room to serve as witnesses. Then ask one of THEM open the safe and take out the envelope.Get them to pass you the envelope and ask someone else to read the headline of the paper.You write down the headline on a clipboard.The pass the secretary the envelope which was signed.Ask her to feel it and make sure it's closed and so on. Then let her oen it,take out the ____(something that collects impressions from the clipboard) out and compare it to what was written on the clipboard and make sure it matches.

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Postby dup » Apr 9th, '10, 22:33

Um, I have absolutely no idea how to do that.

In general, I suspect that predicting the headline might be a bit antique. In our current age, when all respectable newspapers have their own website, with a headline that changes by the hour, I just don't see it having the same effect as it did fifty years ago.

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Postby IAIN » Apr 9th, '10, 22:41

if you dont think that predicting the future headline of a properly printed newspaper is impressive, then what is?

why are you writing anything down on a clipboard? the office would have a copy of the newspaper - it would look odd to suddenly hold the envelope and then jot down the headline...

use the newspaper itself...

people think sites can be hacked quite easily, or fake ones set up...to me, prediciting something on a site is far less impressive....but just my point of view obviously...you go for it...

you can adapt Krazy Kode into a spam-email if you set it up properly...

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Postby magicollie » Apr 9th, '10, 23:10

IAIN wrote:if you dont think that predicting the future headline of a properly printed newspaper is impressive, then what is?

why are you writing anything down on a clipboard? the office would have a copy of the newspaper - it would look odd to suddenly hold the envelope and then jot down the headline...

use the newspaper itself...

people think sites can be hacked quite easily, or fake ones set up...to me, prediciting something on a site is far less impressive....but just my point of view obviously...you go for it...

you can adapt Krazy Kode into a spam-email if you set it up properly...


Yer,your right,I need rethink that and find a logically reason for writing it down so I can achieve the method.Thank you.

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Postby Ted » Apr 9th, '10, 23:18

magicollie wrote:
IAIN wrote:don't try and invent a new method... those kinds of things happen by accident mainly...


I see what you mean but I was thinking the other day "what if the spectator opens the envelope they signed themselves and took out the prediction instead of the magician" which is what lead to this.


There are a few ways to do this detailed in 13 Steps and PMM.

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Postby magicollie » Apr 9th, '10, 23:25

Ted wrote:
magicollie wrote:
IAIN wrote:don't try and invent a new method... those kinds of things happen by accident mainly...


I see what you mean but I was thinking the other day "what if the spectator opens the envelope they signed themselves and took out the prediction instead of the magician" which is what lead to this.


There are a few ways to do this detailed in 13 Steps and PMM.


I saw a few but could you please give me pages references to the ones your referring to,thank you so much.

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Postby SamGurney » Apr 10th, '10, 00:37

Personally, I do not reccomend using these books as reference books- they're not there to be cited and referenced, but rather used. Sorry. Just my opinion.
And the billet handling of showing everyone else, or someone else is a very strong one, especially for tears, and I believe, Bill Bernstien, although some may have used that handling before him, published it first. Then the excuse of getting rid of it so that no cheating can go on, or as I say, I don't steal it from their pocket or something- is another good one for tears (although I haven't used a single tear in nigh on a month- I have my reasons atm)
In terms of the excusing the writing in general, I usually it so it's not forgotten and so that it can be checked that they aren't just agreeing- it really was their word, but of course that line doesn't work for tears. I've never really understood the whole idea that writing it down makes your job easier- it does, in fact it makes it possible, but I don't want my audience knowing that.
Now, onto topic. Newspaper predictions. There is one dealt with as early as the first chapter of Corinda. There is nothing wrong with that- although I think it suits less formal occasions (a little scribbled note is hardly suitale for a publicity stunt). My mind is buzzing with ideas for newspaper predictions, and in all honesty, just STUDY PMM and Corinda. Simple as.

Now, I know I am going a tad off topic, once more, but as it has come up, it might as well be adressed. We briefly touched on designing new methods. This is something interesting for me, I find. I have found the best way that I come up with new methods is by deciding on an effect and working from there- without changing A THING. I have come up with some very nice stuff this way, and even if not new methods (it is VERY rare that the necessery methods do not already exist) it's a good way of generating an effect. The biggest problem is coming up with origional and interesting themes and effects. My advice atm would be to take influence from anything- music, books whatever interests you. Andy Nyman is a film nut and that is clear in his mentalism- he has interesting routines that extend beyond 'look what I have predicted- Now watch me read a mind... again' and have some interesting theme and whole idea to them. So often getting an interesting idea for an effect is 100x more liberating than a new method of achieving the same old thing.

''To go wrong in one's own way is better than to go right in another's.'' Dostoevsky's Razumihin.
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Postby IAIN » Apr 10th, '10, 00:56

but youre not inventing a new method are you - its a new presentation...

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Postby SamGurney » Apr 10th, '10, 01:43

yeah thats what I was saying- working on a new presentation eg presenting a psychometry test as a body language experiment (first thing to come to my head) is much more rewarding than working on new methods- the lay audience doesn't care if your new method is a cleaner version of an old effect- if your centre tear variation leaves nothing in your hands afterwards, because, performed correctly- it's exactley the same thing- something's written and torn up. Working on the presentation means that you could do the same trick over and over but they wouldn't even know :lol:

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