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Sorry for the poor title as i don't remember what he called it.

Anyhow i was watching an episode of his mind control show on 4OD yesterday and he did this trick where he was in a fruit and veg market in london and got these two stall owners to help him with a trick.

He then set out 5 different vegetables/fruit and in front of them. He got one of them to hold the others palm/hand and the other one to relax and told the relaxing one to think of one of those vegetables and stare straight ahead of himself so they could not guess buy his eyes accidentally casting over it. He got the guy to direct his friends hand over them several times until he 'found one that felt right' and it was, after which he did the same thing but with him holding the guys hand and straight away guessed it.

Now, his description of the 'method' he used to do this was that your hand gives off loads of minute signals when it recognises something you are thinking about.

However, the guy was looking straight ahead, so could not have known if Derren Brown had his hand over his selected object. Then there is the problem of how did not only Derren do it but the market stallsman's friend do it as well, both correctly first time round.

Now Derren said this used to be a Victorian parlour game and although i do not dispute him i am sure he dresses up his tricks with certain red herrings/false descriptions to hide how he actually does it, not all the time but some of the time.

That said, i dragged my little brother off the computer and gave it a go, i dont actually know what prompted me but i did. I laid several items out on the bed (4-5) and held his hand the same way Derren had, and then tried this little trick including trying to feel these 'minute signals, all by what Derren had done, around 10 times. Astonishingly, i do not know whether it was actually true that it works like that or a huge coincidence, i managed to pick the correct object 7 times and get the object wrong a couple of times. I even did it correctly on my mum.

Now, this kinda intrigued me some more and i thought i would ask you guys if that is the correct method behind the trick or if there is another factor in it. Because it stunned me that i managed to guess correctly 7 times opposed to 2-3 times wrong, when all i was doing was what Derren had described.

So, is there any truth to it? If not how does that work?

Cheers,
Steve

Sk8r St3v3 wrote:Now, his description of the 'method' he used to do this was that your hand gives off loads of minute signals when it recognises something you are thinking about.

That's the red herring you should ignore.

Well thats why i came to ask here, because i was pretty sure that was a red herring. But then how did i guess it a considerable amount of times compared to getting it wrong?

Sk8r St3v3 wrote:If not how does that work?

We don't divulge methods here, I'm afraid.

Oh sorry, kinda got too carried away with the questio and forgot about that :/

But can you answer me one thing, is there any truth to his description of the method at all, i just don't see how i accomplished it without anything but imitation of how he did it...

Cheers anyway,
Steve

It's an interesting sounding effect but I'd say that Derren's totally pulling your leg with the method.

Thats what i assume, its just frustrating me because it worked - Somehow!

No matter, im sure il learn the trick behind it sometime.

Don’t analyze.
if it works, go with it..

I soon found, after joining the magical online community, that asking for exposure if a big no no.

If you go and read such things as 13 Steps, Practical Mental Magic (personally not for me, but its a classic) and The Artful Mentalism of Bob Cassidy then people come to respect you and will tell you how things like this are done.


While there IS such an art as muscle reading, thats not what Derren Brown uses most of the time. No offence, but you do only have a few posts, and we can't be sure you're not just some chap looking for exposure

Eshly wrote:No offence, but you do only have a few posts, and we can't be sure you're not just some chap looking for exposure

Ted wrote:

Eshly wrote:No offence, but you do only have a few posts, and we can't be sure you're not just some chap looking for exposure

Ohh shut up Ted

play nicely please children!

Eshly wrote:If you go and read such things as 13 Steps, Practical Mental Magic (personally not for me, but its a classic) and The Artful Mentalism of Bob Cassidy then people come to respect you and will tell you how things like this are done.

no, no we won't...

Eshly wrote:I soon found, after joining the magical online community, that asking for exposure if a big no no.

If you go and read such things as 13 Steps, Practical Mental Magic (personally not for me, but its a classic) and The Artful Mentalism of Bob Cassidy then people come to respect you and will tell you how things like this are done.


While there IS such an art as muscle reading, thats not what Derren Brown uses most of the time. No offence, but you do only have a few posts, and we can't be sure you're not just some chap looking for exposure

Are you for real?

(oh, no, you're not are you?!)

I was not looking for exposure, and to be honest i wasnt really looking for how the trick was done. Instead i was just trying to clarify that if, which i assumed, Derren's description of his 'method' behind the trick was false then how the hell did i manage to successfuly do it several times?

I dont really care about how it was done but why i managed to do it without knowing how - if that makes sense.

Steve