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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAW7cwxTBDk

Explains the situation. Basically I need to find an excuse for taking out my wallet again, and letting them root through it.


Tom
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Why not just hand them the wallet to take the card out?

As to a reason, perhaps have in mind a follow-on routine in which the spectator needs to write on a card. Make it follow on but be a separate routine. So you've just performed, put the wallet away, and now patter into your next demonstration. "Madam, I'd like you to write down a...." as you pull the wallet out handing it to her to extract a business card.

Jobs a good 'un!

between the lines.

Cold reading can be particularly strong on paper: remember Derren Brown's routine where he gave everybody the exact same two page writeup, and all participants thought it was amazingly accurate? He printed the whole thing in Tricks of the Mind

So you could say something like "How did I know what card you'd think of? If you check my wallet [hand out wallet] you'll find that I could tell a lot about you just by how you act. The way you walk, the way you talk to your friends, even the way you keep looking over my left shoulder to think whenever I ask you a question" (Check their eyes for the actual direction they look, of course )

Then you can have your little printout of cold reading fun, and maybe even some items that ring a bell

ooooo...good thinking Dale! Must resurrect that myself. A friend who I hadn't seen for a good year came up to me the other day, and the first thing she said was 'I still think about that book page you got me to imagine then read". That was a very special compliment!

thank you very much

kolm wrote:Cold reading can be particularly strong on paper: remember Derren Brown's routine where he gave everybody the exact same two page writeup, and all participants thought it was amazingly accurate? He printed the whole thing in Tricks of the Mind

So you could say something like "How did I know what card you'd think of? If you check my wallet [hand out wallet] you'll find that I could tell a lot about you just by how you act. The way you walk, the way you talk to your friends, even the way you keep looking over my left shoulder to think whenever I ask you a question" (Check their eyes for the actual direction they look, of course )

Then you can have your little printout of cold reading fun, and maybe even some items that ring a bell

that was a Barnum thingy.

you can find them on line.

A barnum statement would be ok, but I have two difficulties with it:

1. Do they still fool people? Never seen them myself.

2. How is it linked to the card trick in anyway? Ideally it would be like an "explanation" of the trick.

Yes they still fool people. As with all things it comes down to the delivery. Presented to someone raw, they can be quite transparent (although they still convince the unsuspecting credulous). Dressed up in a nice little ribbon, meaningless words and an attitude where the person delivering them assumes a demeanor of illusionary knowledge and casual confidence they can be very deceptive.
I used cold reading in a History exam that I knew nothing about and got an A with a little common sence, logic, clever linguistics but most importantly and attitude of 'Yeah, of course I know what I'm on about... I know what I'm on about so much I don't even need to prove it'. Ballsey but it worked.

Eshly wrote:2. How is it linked to the card trick in anyway? Ideally it would be like an "explanation" of the trick.

I gave you one!

Eshly wrote:A barnum statement would be ok, but I have two difficulties with it:

1. Do they still fool people? Never seen them myself.

2. How is it linked to the card trick in anyway? Ideally it would be like an "explanation" of the trick.

Its not.Its linked to the wallet.

True Kolm, however this bit of paper is NOT written specifically for them. It cannot be.

I am planning on using this trick purely for the "show us a trick" moments, which will be handy. And I therefore don't have time to pretend to 'write down coldreading' about the person. It has to be a clear prediction; therefore they MUST know that this prediction would suit anybody.

And ofcourse this will be performed infront of multiple people, which I believe renders Barnum statements useless, as it can be revealed. I'm not saying I won't use them, I'm saying I cannot claim it is invidually tailored, and I cannot claim it is 'magical' in anyway.


Tom
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Eshly wrote:I am planning on using this trick purely for the "show us a trick" moments, which will be handy. And I therefore don't have time to pretend to 'write down coldreading' about the person. It has to be a clear prediction; therefore they MUST know that this prediction would suit anybody.

Of course you have. Take a notepad out of your pocket, ask a few questions ("What hand do you write with? Was you good at maths as a child?") while you jot down three or four strong sentences. It won't take long, and the act of asking questions at the same time both means you're apparently using this information for what you're writing down, and will pass the few seconds it takes to write stuff down

And ofcourse this will be performed infront of multiple people, which I believe renders Barnum statements useless, as it can be revealed. I'm not saying I won't use them, I'm saying I cannot claim it is invidually tailored, and I cannot claim it is 'magical' in anyway.

That one's easy. Tell them to keep it to themselves, after all, it contains very personal and specific information about them, stuff that goes deep into their inner character and thoughts.

You say you've never read this kind of stuff. I don't think you know exactly what it's like. Go get Tricks of the Minds, it's in the last chapter, it starts on page 325. Read it as if you don't know what the text is written to do, I think you'll be surprised at how un-cold reading it is

load the wallet when you put it away after the first effect...or load it as you pull out the envelope...

pre-**** for the info (that rhymned)...

or rather than trump this effect, start off with a mirage deck and a prediction, then move onto this effect...

"first we experimented with a physical deck, now we will experiment with our visual processes..."

that kinda thing...

alternatively, there's an old effect with a confabulation style plot/ending based around a sandwich of all things...the method for that could be used for lots of things...its in the book, as well as one of the dvds of Syzygy...

I'd have thought a few Barnum statements would work nicely for this. You can use these in front of an audience, I do all the time. The only person who's going to really be trying to relate to what you're saying is the person that you're addressing. The others will be looking for that person's reaction, they're not going to be thinking, oh that applies to me too.