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Hi there,
I am studying '' mind reading'', and would love to master this skill but i am unfortuently struggling.

Can anyone help me where any possible,suggested books or any information they could tell me about body cues and eye acsess cues. And how to use them and what they can mean.

The main information i want to know about:
- Reactions the body gives off when answer a yes or no question
- Mind reading someones age

Its just along the lines of derren brown mind reading. As i am a huge fan.

This type of metalism as i assume people who read this know it is a very hard topic to study and master.

I have bought books on body language,nlp and mentalism but it still is no t what i am looking for.

Can anyone help?

Thanks
Jon

Hi Jon,

Great to have you here!

It would be useful if you could perhaps post an introduction on the appropriate thread; with questions like this, it's important that you let us know - for example - how long you've been studying, what experience you already have with other mentalism skills etc...

cheers for the advice. I am new to the site

No worries, Jon - all new folks very welcome

Pop onto this thread, and let us know a bit about yourself: http://www.talkmagic.co.uk/forum18.php

One of the major things you'll soon learn, when giving the impression of mind reading, it is a lot easier to cheat.

Why study the deep field of how to spot lies and body language that aren't always reliable when you use a simple Mentalist tool and always be correct.

The bible of Mentalist from Amateur to Professional is the 13 Steps to Mentalism. If you haven't already, get it.

The very first chapter will give you a method of predicting pretty much anything. Use it to tell if somebody is telling the truth or lying, or what number they are thinking of etc. The only limit is your own imagination and ideas for routines.

Please also remember that the 'applied psychology' evident in most modern mindreading stunts is just a narrative hook for the effect. Just as more traditional mentalists make mention of 'psychic' ability.

They give the audience something to believe in, thereby stopping them from searching for the real method.

Many modern-day mentalists think that body language, NLP and suggestion are more ethical contexts for their presentations than psychic powers. Personally, I'm not convinced about that.

Either way, both the pseudo-scientific and the psychic approaches to mentalism are - for the most part - narrative tools rather than core methods.

Pete

Have you read Derren's Tricks of the Mind? It's a very nice introduction to much of what he does and what he talks about during his shows

It depends what you want to do. If you want to be a performer/mentalist I suggest 13 steps. If you're more into psychology and truly want to learn about body language and applied psychology then your library will likely have heaps of books on social psychology which is all interesting stuff

Body language, NLP and the other stuff that Derren Brown claims he is using is a load of old cobblers. I really think that I should save you a lot of time and wasted effort here. The harsh truth is that Derren is using TRICKS. Yep. That's it. Magic tricks. Trickery. Deception.
NO NLP. NO BODY LANGUAGE, Very little of the PSYCHOLOGICAL ILLUSIONIST rubbish.
He is using tricks plain and simple. Tricks that you can learn if you so choose. Tricks that are in magic shops and books.
It bothers me that you are wasting a lot of time being led up the garden path. I deem it unhealthy.
I won't tell you how the tricks are done. I shall merely say that this is what is going on.
Now you know.

<Yoda> Yes...yeeeessssss - to Mark Lewis you listen, young padawan </Yoda>

mark lewis wrote:Body language, NLP and the other stuff that Derren Brown claims he is using is a load of old cobblers

I'm still in two minds when it comes to NLP, but body language is surely very real, mark?

Or maybe I misread. In which case, carry on

The point is that very few performers would structure a routine for their own working repertoire that relies entirely on applied psychology, NLP, body language and the like.

And it's even more scarce when that performer earns a good living from their work and is being paid good money for delivering strong and reliable 'Ta-dah' moments.

Pete

Body language may or may not be real but that isn't the point. The point is that no mentalist including Derren Brown is using it anyway no matter what codswallop they feed to the masses. They are using TRICKS. I hate to keep saying this but that happens to be the truth. No body language. No ESP. No NLP. No knowledge of psychology or at least very little. TRICKS.
Sorry to be the boy who sees the emperor has no clothes.

As for NLP I always believe that is a load of cobblers too. To me it stands for Not a Lot of Plausibility.

Truly there are a lot of daft people around who will believe anything. I rather like the attitude of Gil Eagles, famed mentalist. Someone who knows his work told me once that when people after the show ask him about his power he tells them straight, "I have no power. I did a magic trick" The more they insist the more he shrugs his shoulders and says, "No, I tell you . I was doing a trick"

A novel approach. I think it quite appeals to me.

mark lewis wrote:Body language may or may not be real but that isn't the point. The point is that no mentalist including Derren Brown is using it anyway no matter what codswallop they feed to the masses. They are using TRICKS. I hate to keep saying this but that happens to be the truth. No body language. No ESP. No NLP. No knowledge of psychology or at least very little. TRICKS.

Yes but things such as cold reading, mis direction and hypnosis (now quite familiar with the mentalist) all have their place as applied psychology. I think people such as Derren still use a lot of them techniques to achieve some of their effects, whether they are combined with the traditional concepts of the magician or otherwise. Of course i agree that the bulk of the work Derren does is indeed just a well dressed trick but its the psychology behind his work on the trick that makes him as famous as he is today.

The reason he is as famous as he is today is because of me. He has no idea that I am the one that made him famous in the first place. However I told someone who had an influence on the matter that it would be a splendid idea to have a mentalist on TV. The mentalist I had in mind was someone else who had no desire whatsoever to be a celebrity mentalist as it might mean getting out of bed before midday. The person I gave the idea to looked up at the sky and said "I wouldn't mind finding a young mentalist and making him into a star".

And he did. All because of me. Now you know.

That's a very compelling story And we can bicker all we like, but the fact is is that he does use some psychological techniques although very small as such, they are always in use. That's all i was saying. I'm sure that your position in society was the most powerful catalyst that took him to the top but i was talking about his work, nothing else, and that's my opinion of it.