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Lenoir wrote:Well then if it's not your own inadequacies in misdirection, it's terrible routining.

Its not routining, and don't blame David Penn. Its just your talking about having to make a very obvious big physical action invisible... not an easy task.

Personally I think I will do this one sitting down behind a table.

Do what suits you best. Make it your own, improve it if you can! It's a gimmick that does a specific thing but in so many different ways.

Have you actually performed in front of an audiance ever? It is amazing what you can get away with to see how miss direction works well checkout tommy wonder doing the cups and balls

Markdini wrote:Have you actually performed in front of an audiance ever? It is amazing what you can get away with to see how miss direction works well checkout tommy wonder doing the cups and balls

No.

I believe the idea is to practise misdirection, work on patter and your own personal routining (for example, using just one coin) BEFORE you perform.

Thats my idea of practise atleast :p

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And slightly more on topic, of course you rehearse, but rehearsing on your own does no good when you're learning skills which you need to actually do on real people to be able to judge.
Saying you learn misdirection from good rehearsal is like saying you learn Hellstromism from rehearsal. Knowing about the theory, proper planning and good routine helps, but you cannot acquire that good routining unless you go out there and get a knack for it.

I am too tired for this.. Just please, Eshly, for once can you concede. I can see where this is going and it won't help anybody.

I can't conceed I'm afraid, because currantly my presentation, misdirection and strength with the gimmick is all terrible. Need to find ways to improve first :p

Can I just point out that I am not, and never tried to, blame the gimmick, David penn or anything, its just I'm finding it all hard to pull off and so I came here to ask for advice - for some reason people are telling me I should perform it, and are critising me for not having performed it yet, even though I never could sucsessfully right now.

Let me know if you want to sell it?

Eshly wrote:I can't conceed I'm afraid, because currantly my presentation, misdirection and strength with the gimmick is all terrible. Need to find ways to improve first :p

Can I just point out that I am not, and never tried to, blame the gimmick, David penn or anything, its just I'm finding it all hard to pull off and so I came here to ask for advice - for some reason people are telling me I should perform it, and are critising me for not having performed it yet, even though I never could sucsessfully right now.

Fair point, I thought we were being more generic. But what people are saying is to plan something for yourself. And you'll get better at planning misdirection etc if you perform regularly for real people.

Take a deep breath and re-read the posts so far. The suggestions of performing are meant to encourage but if you don't feel up to performing it properly then don't do it. Misdirection doesn't need to be a problem, the specs will look where you look so just make a slightly exagerated look at somewhere other than your hands and nobody will see what you're doing. Simple stuff such as asking a spec where he got his superb tie - everybody will look including the spec referred to, so just try it - and I'm sure you can find a similar idea in respect of a lady spec - nice earrings, great hairdo and so on. Obviously this needs to be adjusted to take into account age groups of both you and the specs but it's no big deal and doesn't need to be an enormous event.

If you're still concerned then perhaps you should shelv CV2 for a while and include a different effect which is more comfortable for you.

you learn karate from a book

you don't practise miss direction it comes from performing you learn by doing. Make mistakes in the "field" because you may be able to do any sleight in your room on your own perfect when people are looking it is a diffierent matter .

PS if you think of it as direction rather than misdirection, the concept becomes very clear!

Anyone who saw Mark Mason at Blackpool this year will remember his coin in bottle routine where he got the spec to check there was nothing in the bottle and, true to form, the guy put the bottle to his eye like a telescope and closed the other eye at the same time. As Mark said, he could have loaded a small child without anyone noticing!

Misdirection simply comes from performing experience. You practice said effect till you feel it's decent enough to perform and then you just do, the more you do it, the better you get and you'll start to notice where people are looking and what you want them to do. etc etc.

You can't do that in front of a mirror or camera because you're usually paying constant attention to how good the sleights are. Also the sleights don't have to be perfect. I think Craig mentioned how Al Mann or whatshisface had pretty mediocre sleight of hand but everything else he did was pretty much tops.

are too short and not long enough to get a good grip on

I myself found this too, I cant grip it cos its rounded...so I went back to CV1

Eshly, in the UK 10p's are far easier to bend than 2p's.

Secondly, the routine out of the box is far from the best routine that can be done with CV2. Think about it, play around with it and see what you come up with.

Here's my one coin routine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow9yHaltUDU. You can play around with that if you want.

As to using it as the finale of a metal bending routine, that is bad routining. Coinvexed is not an invisible method so if they are looking and expecting you to do something there's a chance you'll get caught. You could open with it and then go into other bends as they're far cleaner. Alternatively you could switch in a prebent coin which takes the heat of the bend. If you've all ready bent large objects at this stage then they are less likely to expect a switch if you sell it right.

Hope that helps,

H.

Its not the V2 gimmick or the V1 gimmick, I personally wish I had two of the V2's.