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Postby Randy » Jul 18th, '10, 01:13



Robbie wrote:
Randy wrote:You don't really NEED a script for that kind of short meeting (which it will most likely be.).

Scripting and mental rehearsal is always helpful in Asperger's syndrome to prepare for any new or unusual social situation. I only wish I knew that years ago.


Yes, I know that. I have the same disorder. Just for me i just ask myself what's the worse that could happen? "You don't get hired, you move on with your day." as opposed to fretting about it nonstop and not getting used to doing it.

If that makes any sense.

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Re: Useless Benefit Leacher Fails To Find Work

Postby SamGurney » Jul 18th, '10, 01:16

Ted wrote:
Eshly wrote:
Ted wrote:
Eshly wrote:Did you like the "Daily Mail" style headline?

Its quite accurate


No, I don't like it. And I don't agree. Please keep this rubbish confined to non-magic-related forums/sub-forums.


It was self-depricating humor, I was just trying to liven up the post a bit :)


Please don't.


Well Ted's a charming fella, ain't he. I know when Eshly's being a prat, and to be frank it really p*sses me off when people jump on him for stuff they woulnd't others. And for you're information, it is a scientifically observed fact that journalists don't have enough human dna to classify as human, and they are the very c*ck suckers of satan who perpetuate hatred, intolerence and illogical, unreasoned, completley f*cking delusional political beliefs, who I would have the pleasure of doing paper cuts on their eyeballs for being so irresponsible with the huge amount power they have. :D
On that point, perhaps this has been said before, but the fact is we do need to be more tolerant to eshly than others, not less. In my eyes, there is no greater crime than a supposedly rational person rejecting someone because they are behaving erratically- rejection will only evidence an unhealthy perception of self worth. As the rational ones we need to acknowledge that.
Now.. I'm not sure if you mean you need help learning how to write a script or what to say in it or both.. Perhaps you need to talk to Maeve about the general stress of finding work. I had to get a work experience placement, and the rejection, false-hope and let downs is frustrating even for the Taoist monks among us.

*ESSAY WARNING*
Before I shut up, I have a few observations on mental health. Pretty much most of my family have some form of mental 'ill-ness'. But I worked out what MOST, not all, but most, of it was attributable to. First of all, there was much comfort to be found in having a label. Perhaps its the result of a label somehow explaining the strange things you feel and act, but aside from empirically, I cannot quantify it any further. But there we have the immediate problem: the label itself. Labels are such dangerous things if handeled incorrectly- they have plagued much reasoning just by existing sometimes. The idea is 'labeling theory' whereby a person subject to a label, begins to adhere to the definition of the label- it is a self-fullfilling profecy. However, at the very heart of labeling theory, is the identification with the label. This can be done externally, things said by those around you and internally, where I find it is initiated by a chain of auto-suggestion, whereby the observer noticies a corresponding characteristic to the said label, and this affirms the belief that they deserve such and such a label and the belief results in confirmation bias. This seeks out evidence discriminativley to evidence the belief and does so. Let me give an example- someone tells you that you are worthless and pathetic all day long. It is not a rational argument, but it begins to get at you. You catch yourself doing something and you analyse yourself 'Am I pathetic? Why else would I be called pathetic? Look at me doing x, y, z.. Wow.. I must be pathetic' + *confirmation bais* = belief that I am pathetic. Subsequently, I would act on my new self perception and because I lose for example my self worth I would then begin to genuinley exhibit signs of being pathetic and thus qualify to earn that now deserved label of being pathetic. So then- this is my theory on mental health, a huge amount of it is self suggestion. Perhaps it is utter nonsense.. but I think this is an important point. Another observation is that people with problems (as I said earlier) who want to understand why they feel certain ways, do certain things or why people respond to them in certain ways, naturally seek an explanation. Again I am not sure why, but explanations are always comforting. I think this is why psychoanalysis can work even if the analysis is incorrect, because new explanations have been found and those new explanations no longer require certain behaviour- weather it reconciles the ego and id and ultra-ego, is debatable (After all, psychoanalysis' theraputic benefits are simply in undersatinding the aetology of the 'illness'). All I am saying, is that do not seek refuge under a label. They might offer ephemeral solace, but they generally do more harm than good, unless the label demands positive qualities. I am not saying that mental illness does not exist, but I am saying a lot of it is essentially placebo in a way- that's a good way to look at it- if someone is cured by a placebo, that does not mean the cure is not real- similarly, if someone is depressed because of sef-suggestion, that does not make their depression invalid. I am sure some people think I am talking rubbish, but my conclusions are my own experience. I had horrible manic-depression, but the very simple identificaiton of myself with that label was enough to start off months and months of unforgiving bouts of suicidal deppression and running to try and find a burger king at 2 in the morning. I am not proud of it (thats why the only people reading that are those who could be bothered with my tedium) but I got over it by simply breaking the label and realising it was illusiory. I honestley reccomend you do something you believe your labels permit you from doing, just to prove you can. For me, it was tidying my room whilst being in the cabbage state of deppression where blinking is an unwelcome chore- I realised everything I have just said as I did it, and that things are only the way you perceive them- the generalisations and labels you make. It was a massive epiphany about deppression, labels, life, death, love, ego and reality and since then I have not been overly manic, depressed or lobotocised. I still get ups and downs- that's life, but I made the decision myself. The first step is to realise that the choice is in your hands, not your labels. I realise I have written an essay, but I hope that even if one person trawls through it and it helps them I have achieved my aim. It has been good to write it and get it all down on cyber paper.
*essay over*

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Postby Eshly » Jul 18th, '10, 01:21

What is the Broo?

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OMG WALL OF TEXT!

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Postby Jram » Jul 18th, '10, 01:25

Oh, sorry, typed in the vernacular. It's a contraction of Unemployment Bureau, also spelled as the buroo, and is a Glaswegian (or maybe Scottish) name for the dole.

Essentially, once you are signing on, they have ways and means that actually prevent or inhibit you from getting or taking work. And since I could write vast essays of my first-hand experience dealing with their incompetence, I shall leave it at that :)

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Postby SamGurney » Jul 18th, '10, 01:29

Eshly wrote:What is the Broo?

Edit:

OMG WALL OF TEXT!


:lol: I should have put a bigger warning for people with faint hearts and eye problems :lol:

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Re: Useless Benefit Leacher Fails To Find Work

Postby Ted » Jul 18th, '10, 01:34

SamGurney wrote:Well Ted's a charming fella, ain't he. I know when Eshly's being a prat, and to be frank it really p*sses me off when people jump on him for stuff they woulnd't others.


I don't restrict my criticism of the political views pronounced by Tom *to* Tom. If anyone else decides to slag off the unemployed etc. in TalkMagic but outside The Dove's Head (which I usually avoid for this very reason) then I'll advise the same thing i.e "Please don't." Compared to some possible reactions, I think that's pretty polite.

This is *not* the place for political discussion, Sam. It is a magic forum.

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Re: Useless Benefit Leacher Fails To Find Work

Postby SamGurney » Jul 18th, '10, 01:55

Ted wrote:
SamGurney wrote:Well Ted's a charming fella, ain't he. I know when Eshly's being a prat, and to be frank it really p*sses me off when people jump on him for stuff they woulnd't others.


I don't restrict my criticism of the political views pronounced by Tom *to* Tom. If anyone else decides to slag off the unemployed etc. in TalkMagic but outside The Dove's Head (which I usually avoid for this very reason) then I'll advise the same thing i.e "Please don't." Compared to some possible reactions, I think that's pretty polite.

This is *not* the place for political discussion, Sam. It is a magic forum.

That's the thing- he wasn't. He was mocking the newspapers for mocking the unemployed.
As for keeping things 'on topic': Laissez faire. If others want to talk about football, I don't care- It doesn't harm me, I can just scroll down the page. That scroll is quite a usefull function. And besides, no one field of knowledge is in iscolation from another: Maths, Science, Computing, Mechanics, Linguistics.. they all relate- nothing is ever in individual iscolation.

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Postby Eshly » Jul 18th, '10, 02:00

Ohh I see Ted, you misunderstand, I was being sarcastic.

I do not agree with the views of the Daily Mail and I do not believe to be unemployed is a thig to be ashamed of (atleast under most circumstances).

I was mocking the conservative Daily Mail by using their headline tactic of turning even the smallest thing into a MASSIVE and ominous headline. Here is my favourite headline ever from them, which was about the Foot and Mouth outbreak:

"THIRTY MILE SHADOW OF DEATH!"

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Re: Useless Benefit Leacher Fails To Find Work

Postby Jean » Jul 18th, '10, 02:06

SamGurney wrote:In my eyes, there is no greater crime than a supposedly rational person rejecting someone because they are behaving erratically


Mass genocide?

Also speaking as someone who did read through your entire post, you may want to clarify that when you said mental illness what you meant to say was mental disability.

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Postby Eshly » Jul 18th, '10, 02:16

Dear Sam

My change is so extreame that my blood type changes. The bipolar is a physical, chemical imbalance in the brain, and it is not an illusion.

However I do agree that if you know the symptoms your meant to have, you do conform to them slightly.


I'd rather not talk about this though here, so PM if you wish to continue chatting. :)

Tom
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Re: Useless Benefit Leacher Fails To Find Work

Postby SamGurney » Jul 18th, '10, 03:13

Jean Eugene Roberts wrote:
SamGurney wrote:In my eyes, there is no greater crime than a supposedly rational person rejecting someone because they are behaving erratically


Mass genocide?


Mass appeasement and equanimity.

Fair do's eshly.. pmed

Just a quick note, cause I've realised how my points could be interpreted (thanks jean eugene roberts.. couldn't you get an abridged name goddamit?!) I didn't mean it in the way that all mental health is an illusion, because if I tried to argue that, then I don't think I would have a leg to stand on (figurativley, of course). I have met heavily autistic and impaired people and there is absolutley no possibility for any of my theories there. I was simply pointing out my own observation with relativley boderline mental illnesses in comparison to the much more heavily affected people- and the ways that confirmation bias and other such things to tend to infect diagnoses'. Often diagnoses is the tryrant of the individual. But, as we see with the placebo, these things I talk about really are potent and that was what I meant- they need to be considered more and not underestimated, but certainly no, I know my points could be misinterpreted and that's not what I meant.

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Postby Lawrence » Jul 18th, '10, 10:55

Did you know if you put "emo attention seeker" into google image search you get some really wierd results!

Anyway, if you need a script how about writing your own? Otherwise you're bascially a pirate.
Eshly wrote:For example, I remember one tip was to NOT mention you are a magician... dunno if that applies still or not.

I'd love to hear from some people who do restaurant work :)

This is one tip I would ignore.
If you don't want to mention being a magician for a job or being a magician you may as well just walk up and start quoting Hamlet.
Imagine if you walked into a restaurant with a guitar, introduced yourself as a music act, played a couple of songs then when you turned up to do your act you did some magic tricks instead? Probably best that the restaurant get what they think they're getting yeah?

Replacement Tip: Your opening line should be something along the lines of "Hi, I'm Tom and I'm a magician"

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Postby IAIN » Jul 18th, '10, 14:00

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Postby jackleg » Jul 18th, '10, 14:07

You: Hello My name is Eshley. Is the manager in?/ would it be possiblle to speak to the manager?
Restraunt worker(RW): they're not here at the moment... Can I help?
You: Yes. I work as a magician in bars and restaurants entertaining guests and I was wondering if the manager would be interested in hiring me?
RW: do you have a card or something?
You: Yes I do [hand over business card] If you could let the manager know I called and that they can phone me anytime to discuss.
Thank you.

You will give away lots of business cards and get perhaps one call. But Good luck to you. Taking this step can be nerve wrecking so well done you for pushing your comfort zone.
Don't follow the above script verbatum. just like your magic learn to adapt it to your conversational style.

your aim is to introduce yourself and what you do. Be prepared to do a couple of quick yet engaging tricks.
Remember if it costs them money it has to make them something in return so think about how it will improve their business etc.

I wish you all the best of luck Eshley. Let us know how you get on.

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Postby jackleg » Jul 18th, '10, 14:14

IAIN wrote:http://www.online-visions.com/krystal/0901howto.html


Sticky?? :D
Well worth a read!

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