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A Different Sort of Theft

Postby Craig Browning » Jul 18th, '10, 15:05



Recently I was forwarded a magic advertisement from a couple of my non-magician friends... ads that had my name on them so as to personalize the offer.

I'll assume that there is some kind of new hacker-ware out there that allows them to snag your address book without you're knowing it... I don't know what's possible and not, but I find it interesting that this is the third time such a thing has happened and the very same names of personal friends who have nothing to do with magic, keep getting the SPAM.

This is some of the worse sort of theft I've personally had to deal with (outside identity theft... long ago, in the early days of Internetdom) not because it 'costs' me anything but the fact that my privacy has been invaded along side that of various friends & family members who did not ask to be on such lists.

THE RUB around all of this is that it seems to have begun with a "friend"... someone I've known for well over a decade, who I've not just trusted but who has referred to me as being one of his mentors. Regardless, the very first time I had this kind of event occur was through his commercial mailings, marketing a new effect or book. An act that was in and of itself a kind of betrayal but now that others have made the same fubar i can only conclude one of two things as fact;

a.) He's shared his own list either intentionally or by having it stolen
b.) Someone has created a hacking method that allows any random person to steal your contacts.

Either scenario makes me queezy. :?

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Postby IAIN » Jul 18th, '10, 15:13

piracy is a dreadful thing....

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Postby Robbie » Jul 18th, '10, 15:43

There are hacks that can get into people's contact lists. Don't be too harsh on your friend -- he probably doesn't even know he was targeted. You might want to let him know, so he can run malware checks and beef up his security.

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Postby Lawrence » Jul 18th, '10, 19:26

IAIN wrote:piracy is a dreadful thing....

Yar!

Anyway, yes, contact list theft is pretty standard and most of us are subject to it. Deal.

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Postby Mandrake » Jul 19th, '10, 15:54

In connection with a totally non-magic matter, I've recently heard of disgruntled and/or cash strapped employees selling contact lists to make a few quid. Totally illegal but it's happening....

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Postby Tomo » Jul 19th, '10, 16:05

Mandrake wrote:In connection with a totally non-magic matter, I've recently heard of disgruntled and/or cash strapped employees selling contact lists to make a few quid. Totally illegal but it's happening....

It's a serious criminal offence (e.g. the T-Mobile case of November last year - arrests were made, cases are being brought). You can contact the Office of the Information Commissioner in Wilmslow on 0303 123 1113 to report these things and get the ball rolling.

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Postby Mandrake » Jul 19th, '10, 16:24

In one case, I believe due legal process is under way but even so, the list has now been passed on several times and once it's sold on, there's no way to reverse the process.

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Postby Tomo » Jul 19th, '10, 16:43

Mandrake wrote:In one case, I believe due legal process is under way but even so, the list has now been passed on several times and once it's sold on, there's no way to reverse the process.


No, but it'll may increase the sentence, and the number of people charged :wink:

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Postby Mandrake » Jul 19th, '10, 16:51

With any luck the (alleged) offender will get what's coming to them via the UK Courts. Whatever the outcome, they're finished in their industry and circle of business acquaintances, branded as can’t be trusted therefore unemployable – all for a few quid. I shall shed no tears for them!

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Postby bmat » Jul 19th, '10, 17:21

if you use hotmail or yahoo you can pretty much guarantee somebody is going to 'hack' in to your contacts and start sending spam in your name.

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Postby kolm » Jul 19th, '10, 19:03

OK, let's get this clear. Address books — even Hotmail, Yahoo, and Gmail, are not easily hacked into and stolen. It's not new, but it's also not easy. Especially with the big boys like google

There are two ways you can get your contact book stolen. Way number one is using a trojan and spyware. If you're going to download illegal copies of stuff then you're gonna get your data on your computer stolen. Simple as.

Way number two is people give away their email account details. Seriously, it's nuts. It's getting more and more common as time goes on. And I hate the practice. Twitter (thankfully) have now blocked third party apps from being able to use your account this way, so you should never need to give anybody your twitter credentials, but I've worryingly noticed Facebook asking you to enter your email account password to "Invite your friends"

Never do this. Not only are you effectively spamming everybody in your address book (remember also, webmail clients now have a habit of automatically adding addresses to your address book), you are also running the risk of said website taking your password and using it for things they didn't tell you about

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