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Hi, I'm planning on buying a folding coin for coin in bottle effect. Which one would u recommend getting? I've heard that 3 piece ones are easier to get out the bottle, but without giving too much away, I think the edge of the coin will be a bit of a give away? I've heard about folding coins with an internal folding system??? Could someone please throw some light on the subject as to which one to get?

I've recently mastered "Chinese Bit" by Eddie Gibson, it's truly a brilliant effect that's hits spectators hard, and it's also in the English £2 version which is better for me. Would u recommend any other close up effects, something well made and I can carry round in my pocket? dosent have to be coin tricks. I was originally interested in a cap in bottle routine, but would have difficulty carrying the prop around with me, for those who know what I mean?

Thanks!

You do right to research. A 50p folder will look more impossible as it starts a little bigger than a 10p. Having said that, a bitten 10p may fit into a bottle but I have a 10p Butter Coin which can be used for coins across, through silk etc plus the bitten coin effect, plus it fits into a bottleneck. Through a bottle spectators can't really see the edges of the coin & when it comes out you sw***h it out anyway.

when it comes to gaffed coins, the answer is the same as in any other area.
Buy the most expensive one you can afford.
cheep coins are available on ebay.. but they are cheep for a reason.

Tango coins, offer a middle of the road price.. and many of their products are o.k.

top of the range coins come from Schoolcraft,

but you pay for what you get.....

http://coingaffs.com/Welcome.html

and then there is Todd Lassens coins....

http://www.toddlassen.com/

what i will say is, Avoid anybody selling a floder, as a bite coin. the two are different, and it shows that the seller doesnt quite know what they are doing.

Using the method you are using, don't worry about the edges because done right the spectator never really sees that coin. You borrow the spectators coing, bang it goes into the bottle, you can then retrieve it from the bottle and give the coin back. Done!

Get the most expensive you can afford, because cheap is cheap. A good coin takes some amazing percision work and it is not cheap or easy to manufacture.

If you are only looking to do the basic presentation of coin in bottle, than you can get away with a single fold 10p given the right bottle.

If you want to get into slightly more technical variations on the theme, then get a double fold £2 or double fold 50p and look at Nick Einhorn's Unicorn coin in bottle. Bit coin, smaller bottle, somewhat more puzzling because of those details, and no more difficult to perform than the basic handling we always normally see.

There are version of "coin in bottle" that can be performed using not gaffed coins, but unexaminable bottles, so to speak. Depends where you want the heat to go. Most people prefer to have the coin take the heat due to it's ease of switching out compared to the bulky bottle.

But I echo what has already been said, when buying gaff coins, get shop around for the best price, and in this case, best means highest.

What's the internal folding coin then? Is it any good?

Arkesus wrote:
There are version of "coin in bottle" that can be performed using not gaffed coins, but unexaminable bottles, so to speak. Depends where you want the heat to go. Most people prefer to have the coin take the heat due to it's ease of switching out compared to the bulky bottle.

Actually I use a non gaffed coin, and not only is the bottle examinable, I give the bottle away complete with coin.

morrowsean wrote:What's the internal folding coin then? Is it any good?

they are, as a dearly departed friend of mine used to say "A black enamelled f**k pig " to re band.

He had a wonderful turn of phrase.

If you keep the bottle on the move (a-la Billy Mcomb) they wont see the edge of the coin. Who looks there anyway?

Not to throw another potion into the mix but with a PK Ring & plastic bottle with lid screwed on you can penetrate a coin into the bottle & hand it out right away for inspection. The lid is on & the coin is inside. The downside is that the coin DOES fit through the neck of the bottle however the lid HAS been on all the time.

The downside is that the coin DOES fit through the neck of the bottle however the lid HAS been on all the time.

there is a basic method that will alow you to put a large coin in the bottle and have the lid still sealed, it has many "lables" and can be sourced on the internet, if your going the pk route anyway

but to echo whats been said the best you can aford is what you should get.

russpie wrote:Not to throw another potion into the mix but with a PK Ring & plastic bottle with lid screwed on you can penetrate a coin into the bottle & hand it out right away for inspection. The lid is on & the coin is inside. The downside is that the coin DOES fit through the neck of the bottle however the lid HAS been on all the time.

I use the method described about, however the coin is larger than the opening of the bottle and the lid is screwed on the entire time. As stated previously I use it as a give away.

The advantage to the coin being able to come out of the bottle is just that, you can retrieve the coin from the bottle and you have not spent the money. The disadvantage is that some people really think that somehow you got the coin in through the top without them seeing.

Advantage to the coin being bigger then the opening is that the spectators theory of slipping the coin into the bottle when not looking is blown out of the water. The disadvantage is that the only way to get the coin out of the bottle is by destroying the bottle.

For many years I have use a 10p f***** without any grove around the edge. It was produced by Peter Crush and was called the Ultimate F****** Coin. I still have three of these used regularly including Table Hopping. Recently I bought a £2.00 ‘no grove’ version of a totally different construction although there is a small black ‘mark’ on the rim actually covered in the patter presentation. I have done my presentation for magicians and mostly they seemed amazed that no grove can be seen, because, of course, there is no grove. Details of the actual routine were in my lecture notes of a few years back. Mark