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At some point, I'm sure everyone has had the situation where they come across a new slight, either by reading, watching or playing about and discovering it by accedent, and they just couldn't believe they had been perform without it. I thought I'd put up a thread out of interest, just to hear what other people think, of course everyone uses things like double lifts, top changes, ect. but what single slight would you say now you've learnt you couldn't live without and the reasons why?

If I was to put my finger on one I would have to say the lateral palm, I suppose not such an exciting technique just reading about it, but I use it so much. I find that although it's a little angle sensative it is by far the best way to palm a card, and I'm so confident with it that I will pass the deck to someone with the card palmed in the same hand the deck is in, not suck a big deal, I hear you saying, well when you think that the spec won't expect anything sneaky going on in the hand passing you something and the other hand can be seen to be empty (I say seen to be and not shown to be because we all know not to do such things as "here I have a regular deck of cards). There are in my eyes very good uses for this palm, not to mention it lets your hand seem very casual, not like the classic palm (which I'm not knocking), not to mention moves you can pull off using it such as the velvet turnover from pure effect.

I find I can strangly write alot about one move, so instead of going on I'll post this now for others to post their own thoughts. Please bare in mind though I'm not asking for anyone to reveal the technques, mearly the name of the slight and their reasons for it.

Happy typing.

I reckon that the slight that I couldn't live without is probably a simple side steal

It can be used in a load of effects that I like to perform!

Zarrow shuffle or pinky count. Both are excellent for the basics (false shuffle and DL) but also have many other uses making them highly versatile.

Bottom Deal, so many applications it's incredible. Use it constantly for so many routines now. V.Good technique thats practically invisible.

I read the title and instantly had an answer, then when I got in and read the subtitle "that you couldn't perform without" I instantly had no care.
But I will share my initial thought.

Marc DeSouza's "Shapeshifter" colour change, published in DeSouza's Deceptions changed my magical life.
Before I knew that, I was stuck behind useing the Erdnase (Houdini) colour change. It was all those little niggles I had with magic rolled up into a tidy little package. The magic takes place out of sight, behind your hand. When I saw David Copperfield vanish the Statue of Liberty, I was frustrated that it took place behind a curtain. There is not always a curtain on Liberty Island, so I felt this unnatural and annoying. Why were we not allowed to see the magic happen? (I was a layperson when I first watched this When I saw David do Death Saw, I loved it. because as far as you were concerned thanks to all the information you were given (he was doing an escape) the box was to be escaped from and was critical for the performance, not the method. And then the magic happened in full view.

That's why I love the Shapeshifter. The card is full face in view the entire time, it instantly changes into another one. WIth the added bonus it is not actually in contact with the rest of the cards.

DL pays my bills, so I'd say that move was pretty life changing

I use a double undercut a lot.
But as said, so many basic slights which earn the money.
I mean let's face it, if you're doing walkaround / table magic, you won't be performing a long winded routine with hundreds of complicated sleights - you'll be doing easy to follow, generally also simple to do stuff.

Shapeshifter is cool, but personally I use Erdnase a lot too - and I like it.

I read the title and instantly had an answer, then when I got in and read the subtitle "that you couldn't perform without" I instantly had no care.

I ment "that you couldn't perform without" in the same way you would say "I would die if I didn't have my coffee in the morning", you wouldn't actually die.

But anyway, little dig out of the way, although the shapeshifter colour change is very visual, I find that the spectator will be amazed on the gasp, but just as quickly as they breath back out they have worked out that method behind it. If I was to do this other than just for a quick thing for a friend pestering for a cheap thrill, I would tend to do a DL first before changing it, that way the top card can be shown to be different strait after. It's still not likely to be a brain bender, but it does stop someone saying "well it's just that card now".

If I was to pick my favorite colour change I would probably have to pick the cardini change by dan and dave, found on the trilogy (that I don't own but have watched). I love this change because it too is very visual, although it does require a flick across the cards, but mind you the flick only takes a second, and you can end with your fingers seperated which only adds to the illusion. Also unlike moves like shapeshifter and the erdnase change, you also move the card, so if you was to do it with the card face down you could use is as an anit-move. I've also had a play about where you can do the cardini move but end with a face up card instantly turning up in a facedown deck.

Anyway, each to their own, shapeshifter is by no means a bad move and always gets a wow, I just think it's way to well known. It's a shame, youtube has taken its toll on magic.[/quote]

Charlier shuffle.

Post this in ten years and the answer for most people will prob be the clip shift.

Yeah you're probably right, I was wondering if anyone would say the clip shift. I do use it, how ever I tend to use it more as a utility move, an example would be the dribble control it explains on a section of the dvd. I probably don't use it as much for a colour change because, well, if I'm honest I haven't got it perfect. Don't get me wrong, I get away with it every time, but I'm abit of a perfectionist and it's always in my mind that I could do it better.

Anyway, in 10 years time I'm sure there'll be some new slight to rave about.

hds02115 wrote:Anyway, in 10 years time I'm sure there'll be some new slight to rave about.

Yea the 'the ultimate steth mongrel swirl blink flip change'. Lets get back in 2020!

I'll remember and start another thread in 2020 called, The hottest slights of the past decade.

until then...

jhmagic1 wrote:Post this in ten years and the answer for most people will prob be the clip shift.

The clip shift is a silly move. It is the answer to a question no one needs to be asking.

At Blackpool a couple of years ago this little kid was very eager to show off the clip shift to me. So I watched, then offered an alternative. Had him pick a card, put it back in the deck, it was then on the top of the deck without him seeing; I'd just done a really questionable pass while he wasn't looking. He was not happy that I could achieve the same effect with a method that I could do drunk and didn't take me 3 weeks solid practice to learn. I think it was the "and mine retained the stack" line that made him walk away.

Surfaced is a classic of creating a method first then thinking of tricks to do with it.

I'm not saying it doesn't have it's place. It's just easier to use something else.

But I learnt it anyway, because sometimes I have too much time on my hands.
But life changing? Not in the...... no, I can't bring myself to say it.

Life changing was probably the first card controls you learn in RRTCM; that's where the journey started, and it's something still used all the time.