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Hi there;) can anyone give me some tips about a force

everyone knows the force where u have a card on table (ace of spades for example)

and u ask them to choose between red or black cards

if he says black u say okay from the black cards we have etc..

if he says red.. then u say : okay we will throw away the red ones...

works nice:D

but if u need to do this 4 times like

red black
hearts/ diamonds
picture /number
and then ofcourse the CARD itself



does anyone have tips for me or a refference to books/dvd about it?
thanks a million

Wish I could help. I too would not use an elimination type force for the reasons you describe. Could that card be forced earlier in the routine? as in a previous effect? Just a thought.

E.g. in Derren Brown’s “Pure Effect” (2000, p. 155 ff) you find at least two solutions;
kenton Knepper (and friends) offers several versions in his “Killer Konceptions” (2000);
Greg Arche published two takes on this effect in his book “Deep Thought” from 2005 (Scorch, p. 36 and Floater p. 43);
Sean Waters describes two methods in “Ponderings” (2007: Red Handed, p. 6; Avalon, p. 42);
...

There dozens (hundreds?) of variations out there.

Cheers
Th.

why would you want to use the same method four times? why not use pre-show, mirage decks, all kinds of things...pre-show would be nice and simple...

I'm not sure he meant to actually repeat the process 4 times, I think he meant the process itself has 4 steps.

Docc Hilford (who actually originated the concept that Mr. Brown is given credit for) also has work on this premise.

Edits - Oops - forgot to mention. It's known as The Projected Force. Originally in his Real Mind Reading video, but also can be found on Vol. 3 of his Monster Mentalism series.

Joshua Quinn treats the reader with an excellent treatise on equivoque as well as an effect using cards in Paralies, possibly a little expensive for that alone though.

Another great source is Bryn Reynolds' The Safwan Papers and an effect called 'Seven' which I absolutely adore. Bryn takes the typical equivoque approach and adds a very cute linguistic subtlety to the proceedings.

thanks dimitri yes it is indeed 4 steps !;) not 4 times sorry for my bad english


sounds good im gonna look into it

Derren's Devil's Picture book has got a few ideas that you might be able to use, another one that might help is psychological subtlties

there are so many articles out there that cover equivoke.
Craig Browning has one, ask him if it's still available, because it's good reading.

Colin Mcleod has published what i think is the best take on it in one of his books, and presumably it's on his upcomming dvd.

Paul Brooks also has excelent work on the subject.

If you were to have a folded card in an envelope, you could go down the free choice / index route.
dressed up as if it were equivoke, because you dont want to fall victim to the too perfect rule.

greg arce's Scorched...

verbal control - max/bruce...

depending on the card you want to force, it'll be a lot easier too...

ultimately - practice...

daleshrimpton wrote:dressed up as if it were equivoke, because you dont want to fall victim to the too perfect rule.

Don't do that! Have a fake method floating at the edges by all means, but if you're going to appear to use equivoque, then you might as well use equivoque. On The Mark offers a nice approach...

i didn't mean do all of it..

what i said , or ment to say was make it look like equivoke.

make them think that you are using equivoke...

let them try to deconstruct it....

but , because the equivoke you used, is in truth utter b'locks, they wont be able to work it out.. but they spend so much time trying, they forget the bleedin obvious method you do use.. ie, a switch.

Oh well that would be okay; get them to step on the rug...

daleshrimpton wrote::roll: i didn't mean do all of it..

what i said , or ment to say was make it look like equivoke.

make them think that you are using equivoke...

let them try to deconstruct it....

but , because the equivoke you used, is in truth utter b'locks, they wont be able to work it out.. but they spend so much time trying, they forget the bleedin obvious method you do use.. ie, a switch.

i disagree - MAKE them think you are using equivoque?! we are talking about punters arent we? so...where and when do they naturally drift towards "ah yes, here's the equivoque bit..."

my only tip to you using equivoque - is to ask everyone else to play along, and if they feel manipulated, to make their own private choices in their heads...

cos then a) they'll arrive at different cards, and thus prove its not 'in play', and b) at to the realism of it all...

Lybrary are selling a manuscript called Psycho by Daniel Madison. It features four separate psych card forces along with thoughts and advice on using psych forces in general.