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Some nice work there, but the bong puffing at the start was a tad stupid.

jim

jim ferguson wrote:Some nice work there, but the bong puffing at the start was a tad stupid.

jim

Understatement of the year!

Vanderbelt wrote:

jim ferguson wrote:Some nice work there, but the bong puffing at the start was a tad stupid.

jim

Understatement of the year!

Be fair, he could have put his address up as well!

phillipnorthfield wrote:

Vanderbelt wrote:

jim ferguson wrote:Some nice work there, but the bong puffing at the start was a tad stupid.

jim

Understatement of the year!

Be fair, he could have put his address up as well!

If someone wants to expose themselves to the world as an habitual drug user then fine, I don't care about that and whatever consequences come of it. I just take issue with drug users full stop.

Vanderbelt wrote:

phillipnorthfield wrote:

Vanderbelt wrote:

jim ferguson wrote:Some nice work there, but the bong puffing at the start was a tad stupid.

jim

Understatement of the year!

Be fair, he could have put his address up as well!

If someone wants to expose themselves to the world as an habitual drug user then fine, I don't care about that and whatever consequences come of it. I just take issue with drug users full stop.

I wonder how many people who say that drink alchohol.
Or smoke.

Perhaps two of the most dangerous drugs of them ALL. Period.

Pot, kettle... oh no, I won't

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Or listen to virtually any decent music.

Im just glad that he showed how silly he is at the beginning.

If I had watched that video and seen that foolish act at the end i would have been gutted that someone with that talent was such an idiot. As it was I dont have an ounce of respect for what he did after that start!

Alec

kobain wrote:If I had watched that video and seen that foolish act at the end i would have been gutted that someone with that talent was such an idiot. As it was I dont have an ounce of respect for what he did after that start!

I agree Alec. The stupidity at the start certainly tainted the whole performance. If the guy wants to smoke weed then so be it, but he should at least keep it seperate from his magic. Im very old fashioned in my approach to magic and believe that we should be gentlemen when performing. Drug taking (and i mean illegal substances Sam) is not conductive to a gentleman performing magic

jim

Vanderbelt wrote:If someone wants to expose themselves to the world as an habitual drug user then fine, I don't care about that and whatever consequences come of it. I just take issue with drug users full stop.

SamGurney wrote:I wonder how many people who say that drink alchohol.
Or smoke.

Perhaps two of the most dangerous drugs of them ALL. Period.

Pot, kettle... oh no, I won't

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Or listen to virtually any decent music.

What he said.
I simply can not understand why people are so dismissive or disparaging of drug users when almost everyone takes at least SOME drugs.
Alcohol, nicotine and tobacco are drugs with no real difference to illegal drugs aside from the simple point of legality. They are all harmful in one way or another and both nicotine and alcohol are lethal. The same can not be said for THC and is far less true for cannabis itself than for tobacco.

Of all drugs the only one I use on any kind of regular basis is alcohol, and then in small quantities. I don't even see the point to nicotine and I use caffeine something like once ever 2 or 3 years.

However I find the attitude many people have towards *illegal* drugs baffling to say the least. I find the attitude many people have towards drug users rather sickening.

Jim - I find it hard to see the difference between someone using cannabis to steady their hands before performing and someone using alcohol to do the same. We all know prohibition causes more harm than good and that logically speaking there really isn't anything other than prohibition itself to support the view that cannabis is worse than alcohol.
If you're going to look down upon cannabis use in a magical setting then really you should feel the same about alcohol use.

jim ferguson wrote:

kobain wrote:If I had watched that video and seen that foolish act at the end i would have been gutted that someone with that talent was such an idiot. As it was I dont have an ounce of respect for what he did after that start!

I agree Alec. The stupidity at the start certainly tainted the whole performance. If the guy wants to smoke weed then so be it, but he should at least keep it seperate from his magic. Im very old fashioned in my approach to magic and believe that we should be gentlemen when performing. Drug taking (and i mean illegal substances Sam) is not conductive to a gentleman performing magic

jim

Fair enough, as your aesthetic criticism actually relating to magic, that I have no problem with; I'd probably agree. It's the 'my ethics are that drugs are evil because I have been told by an advert' I take issue with. I'm not particularly interested in whether he smokes weed or not and I respect people who don't care either. But to be frank (oh. dear. lord. I'll stop), I'm not the biggest fan of people who are anti drugs for the sake of it (and I'm not particularly pro-drugs either) as usually this indicates someone who doesn't really know what they're on about, police or not.

However, being genuinley serious- I am aware that there is a massive sub-culture relating to cannabis. On the basis of that irritating music (a bit stereotypical, I know) I'd assume that labeling his gimmick as 'the pothead magician' is actually not stupid at all, depending on his audience and the people he actually performs for.

I am unsure on what exactly was so wrong, or even illegal with what he did. He was using a legal apparatus to smoke. I assume every magician that smokes should not be respected then?

I was slightly impressed, but it was quite hard to watch as everything was so close to the camera. I didn't quite like the exposure of what I assume was a shell. Nice flourishes with the cards.

In retrospect I really shouldn't have said anything and I really don't want to get into a debate into drugs on a magic forum.

I will go so far as to agree with Sam, at least partially. I have no great time for people who are anti-anything just because someone's told them x, y and z. That's as true for drugs as it is psychic readers etc.

For what it's worth, my personal dislike of blatant posteurising drug use comes from years of addiction (and not weed, before someone wants to bring in a 'weed isn't addictive' argument). It's one of those "You've gotta go there to come back" things. Also a very personal thing, I don't expect anyone else to have to share my opinions.

Back to the magic though.... actually very good

BigShot wrote:Jim - I find it hard to see the difference between someone using cannabis to steady their hands before performing and someone using alcohol to do the same. We all know prohibition causes more harm than good and that logically speaking there really isn't anything other than prohibition itself to support the view that cannabis is worse than alcohol.
If you're going to look down upon cannabis use in a magical setting then really you should feel the same about alcohol use.

Wow I certainly didnt think what i said would be so contraversial . Are you serious ? You really think smoking a bong in front of your audience (and lets face it thats what he done) is the same as sipping a malt or having a cigarette ? What next, joint through coin, smacked up needle through arm ?

There is an effect in Bobo (which I know you have) in which the performer places a coin in his hand, lights a cigarette (with a gun shaped lighter) and blows smoke towards his hand. When opened the coin has a bullet hole through it. The effect, if played properly, has a certain old world elegence to it. There is nothing elegent or whimsicle about puffing a bong !

Besides that, it is ILLEGAL. It is not going to do the world of magic any favours when magicians are openly taking drugs. Do it privetly.

jim

Vanderbelt wrote:In retrospect I really shouldn't have said anything and I really don't want to get into a debate into drugs on a magic forum.

I will go so far as to agree with Sam, at least partially. I have no great time for people who are anti-anything just because someone's told them x, y and z. That's as true for drugs as it is psychic readers etc.

For what it's worth, my personal dislike of blatant posteurising drug use comes from years of addiction (and not weed, before someone wants to bring in a 'weed isn't addictive' argument). It's one of those "You've gotta go there to come back" things. Also a very personal thing, I don't expect anyone else to have to share my opinions.

Back to the magic though.... actually very good

I have to respect that

But I'm not sure if it's that I've misunderstood you Jim, but yes- the difference is that its illegal. But in terms of the actual drugs in themselves cannabis is actually less dangerous. However, I have performed a contemporary effect (suitable to my type of audience) which is a form of drinking game where I have to remain teetotal (I'm not a fan of alchohol). I think even though I believe that cannabis is a less dangerous drug than ethanol, there would be those who wouldn't be comforable if I was using cannabis instead... it is what's socially acceptable, ultimatley. I have also performed a few cigarretee tricks- but I wouldn't do it with a spliff! So I sort of agree... But I don't at all think its fair to say that bongs have anything to do with intraveneously adminstered sorts of drugs- the opiates, meth e.t.c. I think everyone has their drug horror stories they know- but I don't know of any serious ones involving weed.

Just to clarify, after reading the posts that were submitted while I was writing mine. Im not saying Im anti drugs or anything, everyone to there own. Im saying it should be kept SEPERATE from a magic performance. Surely Im not the only one who thinks this ? At least I sincerely hope im not

jim