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Hi, wondering if anybody can point me in the right direction for finding out a little more about this effect.

2 decks are used (1 is m*****)

Spectator selects one from the m***** deck and tables it without looking at the face. Magician takes the other deck and has 3 cards visually selected (ie: face up) and tabled in a row (face up).

The spectator is then asked to drop their face down card on any of the 3 face up cards.

The face down card is then turned over - it matches the card it was dropped on.

I'm understanding the basics here... it's the outs at the end I'm lost at.

Any help would be much appreciated... thanks


G

I don't know what the *'s are covering up there, but the trick sounds like a variation on Dai Vernon's "Matching The Cards"

Sounds exactly like the same trick except with a single deck, spec selects a card that nobody looks at and is placed face down on the table and you find the 3 cards that match up with it, with a nice kicker at the end

without actually knowing what you are talking about. It sounds like magicians choice. You know the selected card but for some reason, (which doesn't make sense to me) you are going to give them 3 choices to match the card. You are only using 3 cards so the outs are going to be very basic as used in almost every magicians choice routine out there.

Thanks for the ideas so far. I understand it's equivoke, I was wondering if anybody knew this particular effect and could point me in the right direction to research the actual outs.

Just to be clear - the premise is 1 card is picked from one deck without being looked at and tabled (the magician does not touch this deck). Magician fans the other deck and 3 more cards are picked face up by the same person and tabled. They then drop their face down card on one of the 3 face up cards.

If it's dropped on the matching card then great! But where does it go from there without the outs being weak?


Thanks,
G

I might be jumping to conclusions, but is this perhaps 'just' a trick? The clue to me was that the face down card is dropped onto one of the face up cards.

However, the stuff about the deck, and that equivoque being involved had me doubting myself.

Grant, are you really sure about those details, or did you just go along with bmat's suggestion? Also, are the cards ever examined?

Anyway, I can think of a 100% certain way of achieving a similar effect (and I bet now, so are lots of others on this site), but I do not know if it's what you actually saw, or where you could learn it.

Ah, yes! The ol' classic, "104 cards alike".

This is the effect as I witnessed it last night. I know 95% of the effect - just stuck with what the alternative outs could be.

Two decks of mine were borrowed (one regular... one ma**ed). I picked a card at random from the ma**ed deck and tabled it (I have no problem with this bit). The other (regular) deck was shuffled and fanned face up in front of me - I touched 3 different cards and they remained face up and tabled in a line.

I dropped my face up card on one on the table (free choice). I then moved it aside and turned over the card under it. It was the same card. I understand everything up to this point. The guy showing me it got lucky - the bit that has me is that there are obviously outs, and I'm intrigued as to what those might be without seeming to be a weak close (given that all 3 table cards are face-up).

Sorry if this is all a little convoluted!

G

Probably something similar to a pateo force?

grant_m23 wrote:Two decks of mine were borrowed (one regular... one ma**ed). I picked a card at random from the ma**ed deck and tabled it (I have no problem with this bit). The other (regular) deck was shuffled and fanned face up in front of me - I touched 3 different cards and they remained face up and tabled in a line.
I dropped my face up card on one on the table (free choice). I then moved it aside and turned over the card under it. It was the same card. I understand everything up to this point. The guy showing me it got lucky - the bit that has me is that there are obviously outs, and I'm intrigued as to what those might be without seeming to be a weak close (given that all 3 table cards are face-up).

Im a bit confused at the second paragraph regarding what was face-up and face down

This is quite interesting. There are a couple of questions Id like to ask though.

Was this guy a magician, or just know a trick ?

Was he aware of, and know how to read the ma**ings ?

You said that you chose a card from your ma**ed deck, so Im asuming that you knew the identity of the tabled card. Was there a reason that you then chose the same card from the faceup spread ?

jim

jim ferguson wrote:

grant_m23 wrote:Two decks of mine were borrowed (one regular... one ma**ed). I picked a card at random from the ma**ed deck and tabled it (I have no problem with this bit). The other (regular) deck was shuffled and fanned face up in front of me - I touched 3 different cards and they remained face up and tabled in a line.
I dropped my face up card on one on the table (free choice). I then moved it aside and turned over the card under it. It was the same card. I understand everything up to this point. The guy showing me it got lucky - the bit that has me is that there are obviously outs, and I'm intrigued as to what those might be without seeming to be a weak close (given that all 3 table cards are face-up).

Im a bit confused at the second paragraph regarding what was face-up and face down

This is quite interesting. There are a couple of questions Id like to ask though.

Was this guy a magician, or just know a trick ?

Was he aware of, and know how to read the ma**ings ?

You said that you chose a card from your ma**ed deck, so Im asuming that you knew the identity of the tabled card. Was there a reason that you then chose the same card from the faceup spread ?

jim

Hi Jim, yes - he's a very accomplished magician. Since I was playing along, I did not "look" (he was familiar with the m***s) - my attention was quickly drawn elsewhere anyway... hence, I did not "avoid" it from the faceup spread

grant_m23 wrote:Hi Jim, yes - he's a very accomplished magician. Since I was playing along, I did not "look" (he was familiar with the m***s) - my attention was quickly drawn elsewhere anyway... hence, I did not "avoid" it from the faceup spread

Ah, i see.

As mentioned then, a simple magicians choice could have been used if he wasnt lucky the first time. Another line of thought as an alternative to outs is to adapt the actual effect according to certain outcomes. If you had placed the face down card on a different card you may have seen a different effect.

jim

we need a forum thread to capture all the "name this trick from my memory" type questions. A bit like "think of a tune". I'll name that trick in five ...

aporia wrote:we need a forum thread to capture all the "name this trick from my memory" type questions. A bit like "think of a tune". I'll name that trick in five ...

I'm always tempted to respond to 'Please name this trick' threads with 'Eric'. Fortunately I usually manage to resist temptation...

The effect as you describe is exactly what I thought it was. The outs are pretty standard I just don't want to give them in public. Besides judging from one of your comments you already know the outs. But in response to that, the outs from a magicians view are absolutly obvious and stupid sounding. From the spectators view however it all makes perfect sense. Sometimes when I show friends magic effects I often want to slap them upside the head for being so stupid, because I really feel I should be friends with more intelligent people. Then I turn the tables. They have no reason to suspect, they are not aware of the workings so really the words are hiding nothing...from their viewpoint...nor do they really know what to expect.

So, how can I put this across to make my point without exposing anything?

Try this on for size. Try to get the spectator to drop the card on the wrong choice when they do, you eliminate that card. Just say something like...

just drop your card on any of these three. That one? You sure? Okay we will eliminate that card...

Do you think I was able to slip that little piece of exposure throught the cracks?

The above is no more or less amazing then if the card is actually dropped on the correct card. Why? Because they have no notion of the other possible outcome, we or you as a magician know the other option and we .feel it is a better option, but when you don't know there are other options, then it doesn't make a difference.

Try it using all the different scenario's and judge the audience reaction with each situation. They will be the same provided that you act the same! If you change your reaction for your desired outcome the audience will feed off of that and respond in kind, this will of course skew the outcome so you must present each time, regardless of where the card is placed, like that is exactly what was supposed to happen.

Try it, you'll like it.

Much less fun than the highly magicky version I had envisaged.

Then again, I had great success with the badly explained equivoque card trick in '13 Steps', so I suspect it played well.