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hello there can someone tell me if i made a new peek ?:P

i was brushing up my peek skillz and have a few of them ... but they all look like i glance at the deck ... and like everyone knows... where the magician looks the audiance will look

so i decided to make a peek that does not have that problem do you guys know if its new ?

The handling... the card gets controlled to the top ... after that u thumb fan the cards ... when the cards are fanned the thumb will lay on the top cards u put the top card (the one under ure thumb) u slide it back to the top of the fann... after that u insert ure thumb in the huge cap under the card and u bend it down showing half of the face... (when u do the move ure middelgfinfer goes on the front of the fann and strokes the pips of the rest of the cards....

OH the fan is ofcourse done to show the faces so u see the backs the spectator the fronts... (u do this to show them there not all the same)


SO... is this new?

Is it possible to show us a video demo of it?
Not to expose this, but just pretend the camera is a spectator and you're going to peek at his / her card.

It isn't new, but that's not a problem - Phil Smith has something similar published in Mokele, and he claims that Guy Bavli has it in print previously.

On the other hand, it is a good move - the trick with any peek is to ensure that the action is routined tightly, so that there's a logical reason to peek in the direction you need to... otherwise, as you rightly say, it looks odd.

@groovebird i will be posting it tonight;)

@dominic whats the move called i wanna see if its the same dont have the mokele book

yeahh well it was more that a friend of mine peeked really bad before and i thought lets make it an easy to do move but still very deceptive...

and the peek doesnt need an ofbeat etc ( il post it tonight )

Okayyy, it all sounds wonderful but it sounds like a really long way to go. I know I am simply missing the point. But is it not easier to just know the card before it is selected?

Don't get me wrong, I certainly understand the benifits of a peek. But not really when it comes to cards. I remember a card routine, that when first explained the peek made absolute sense. But on closer examination ie away from the creator I found it was just as easy to go the otherway and the peek while really clever and almost fun to use seemed more of a way for the creator to sell lecture notes. Yes it was at a lecture.

There is the possibility that you are uncomfortable with a force and that is strictly personal preferance and more power to you. But I've always found them a lot less 'contrived' then a peek.

But again, that is just me and my two cents.

Personally, I openly hold and wave the pack around before I start the trick and peek the bottom card. Then I overhand shuffle controlling the bottom to the top and start the trick. As far as the audience are concerned I just shuffled the deck before I started the trick. Why would you need anything more complicated than that?

You mentioned in your initial post about Where you look the spec will look, so that makes the other peeks weaker. That is only true if you do not use any other method of misdirection.

"The spec looks where the magician is looking" one of the first methods of misdirection we learn, but relying on that form of misdirection alone has weaknesses one being what you have highlighted. It is easy to become reliant on sleights and look for another new sleight what is really needed is a change in performance e.g. misdirection. It is easy to be on a quest for the perfect sleight, it is like the Holy Grail.

@nic true true but this one doesnt need that.. so its an extra

@ others

Yeahh i know forcing a cards is easier... i do it all the time.... but a classic force is not 100 % and how i use this move they can shuffle the deck before ... then pick a card.. totally free choice...

http://www.youtube.com/MojoMagicians

here is the movie of the glimpse

i do wanna note that the glimpse eye movement is really noticible ..This is only because of the camera s viewing point... if you would look the spectator right in the eye u will get the glimpse

Looks fine. I wouldn't notice. Probably.

If you want, you might be able to create a block in the spectator's memory by crimping the card and having them shuffle before you take the pack back and do the peak. But at that point, I think less elegant peeks could be used with little suspicion...

Miniolo wrote:i do wanna note that the glimpse eye movement is really noticible .

Only to you. I didn't notice it at all.

Yeah getting the card to the top is no problem but i had no spectator so just shown the glimpse/peek

last weekend someone asked me for a game of poker :

Me: u dont wanna play with me...
he said: why not?
Me: im a magician
he: ohh yeah stacking ha??
me: also...
he: ohh no problem in my country we got something for it
me : okay... I shuffled and maintained a nice royal flush for myself....
he: okay put the cards on the table
me: wokee!":p
he: so now im cutting the deck so your stacking doesnt work.,.
Me: okay... u deal then

there it was my royal; flush hahaha

i crimped it before he cut he was like WTF!!!

Just saw your peek. Really don't know why you are so worried, it looks great. Only a magician, (and then not many) are going to notice your peek, and even if a spectator does notice your eyes move they don't know why. The idea of a peek is never going to enter their heads.

I have no idea if it is original or not. But not only did you come up with it on your own, but it is actually practicle. and you do it very well. In the context of an actual trick with some presentation I'm sure it is even better.

When I show an effect the audience can shuffle the deck and then have a totally free choice. And yet I force the card. The free choice is a matter of perception.

My previous point is, even with a peek, after they shuffle the cards you still have to handle the deck to get the peek. If then, you have to handle the deck after the shuffle, you can also simply force rather than peek.

Yes in the spectators mind there is going to be no difference. So why bother having this conversation? Because I still say a force is so much easier and you can handle the deck 'less' with a force. Done correctly it is still a free choice to the spectator.

Not even a peek is 100% sometimes, under pressure it is amazing how a heart looks like a diamond.

There is more than one way to force a card. Classic is not always the best, it is just the one hyped by magicians because we fan or spread the cards. However seeing as in a classic force you are just about putting the card into the spectators hand it is almost always going to be correct, (unless you are doing it wrong) it is as close to 100% as you can get.

Again, to each his own and I am not saying my way is the 'correct' way. Just like to point things out that we can all think about. There is no right and wrong. It is what works for us individually that counts.

My favourite peek, (and I'll put this in magician speak so anybody that doesn't know what we are talking about isn't going to understand anyway)

Take the t*** and Y**** with p***t**r***... just kidding, hah!

Serioulsy card selected is on top. Deck in left hand. Left hand comes up to your temple so your index finger, (which is pointing up like an antena) comes in contact with your left temple making it look like you are recieving a mental image. The peek is done as the hand starts to come up. With the left thumb you B***L* the card and then you just grab your peek at that moment.

Sorry couldn't resist the *** thing, but really it works give it a shot, just for the kicks if nothing else.

Miniolo wrote:http://www.youtube.com/MojoMagicians

here is the movie of the glimpse

i do wanna note that the glimpse eye movement is really noticible ..This is only because of the camera s viewing point... if you would look the spectator right in the eye u will get the glimpse

As Brian has said, you have absolutely nothing to worry about. Your peek looks great

jim

@ BMAT

haha yeahh i know forcing is easy and its no big deal for me:) but since i practice on the street and bar im used to hecklers.. thus making adjustments for everyy situational change in my routines...

when someone shuffles the cards and picks a card there selfs i cant force it... so i either have to do a routine that does not need to know the identity of the card like a in the hand transposition (so i would need to control the card to the top) but why should i do that if i could easily tell them wait !:P u did pick a card and shufffled them but u did not look if there al different (then i can show that there all different by showing the fronts and doing my peek at the same time) after that its all presentation

@jim

thanks:D