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Postby Beardy » May 10th, '11, 16:44



Indeed - weapon focus limits the amunt of overall accurate knowledge outside the nature of the weapon itself - henct the name.

Leading questions do change memory - saying such things like "did you see his white trainers" won't have them saying "yes I did", but later on if asked to describe them a significant percentage would say that white trainers were worn.

Other such things include Grue's mentioning of the wording of the questions - "hit the car" got an average speed description of approximately (from memory (no pun intended ;) )) 15mph lower than "crashed into the car".

One other thing that affects memory is belief. I know of an experiment that implanted a flase memory just my showing the individual an edited photo of themselves with a family member earlier in their life in a different location.

There are so many factors that are involved in memory it won't be feasible to list them here, but the intrigued amongst you can look up eye witness testimony stuff by loftus, or loftus & palmer.

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Postby user24 » May 10th, '11, 23:31

Beardy wrote: I know of an experiment that implanted a flase memory just my showing the individual an edited photo of themselves with a family member earlier in their life in a different location.


Yes, I know that one - they managed to have people 'remembering' a hot air balloon ride they went on as a kid, except it never happened. I think this was featured on a documentary years ago.

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Postby Mr_Grue » May 11th, '11, 12:33

My favourite was the photo of them meeting Bugs Bunny in Disney Land.

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If the spectator doesn't engage in the effect,
then the only thing left is the method.


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Postby user24 » May 11th, '11, 13:53

Mr_Grue wrote:My favourite was the photo of them meeting Bugs Bunny in Disney Land.


I remember that!

Or do I?

No, seriously, I actually don't know if I really remember that in the documentary or if I'm only creating the memory because you suggested it!

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Postby Beardy » May 11th, '11, 13:53

user24 wrote:
Mr_Grue wrote:My favourite was the photo of them meeting Bugs Bunny in Disney Land.


I remember that!


Or do I?


No, seriously, I actually don't know if I really remember that in the documentary or if I'm only creating the memory because you suggested it!


I think, from memory (hehe), it was also mentioned in Richard Wiseman's "Quirkology" book

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Postby user24 » May 11th, '11, 13:56

Phew. I was thinking "Wow, this memory implanting stuff is super effective".

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Postby Beardy » May 11th, '11, 14:13

user24 wrote:Phew. I was thinking "Wow, this memory implanting stuff is super effective".


Richard Wiseman used "memory implant". It was super effective.

user24 was confused. He hurt himself in his confusion.

(Geeky reference? No? Haha)

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Postby Edantes » May 11th, '11, 20:45

Tomo wrote:
Edantes wrote:Yeah you're right, but lots of research has suggested that the reason for this is that when a gun is involved in an incident, people's recall of the details is reduced due to a phenomena known as 'weapon focus" because they are preoccupied with remaining safe from the gun they don't take in other details about the gunman :)

I've never come across this piece of research in my studies but there was a similar one (can't remember who it ws conducted by) where a man ran into a lecture in a university and stole a file/briefcase off the lecturer's desk. The students were interviewed about it afterwards. Again, the experimenters included leading questions and when asked "Did you see his white trainers?" often the students would say yes even if the theif was wearing black leather shoes. Just goes to show the power of words.

Isn't this the fallacy of many questions?


I think they're slightly different, I'm not sure the statement "did you see his white trainers?" would be considdered fallacious because it is assumed and generally accepted that he would be wearing at least some kind of footwear. I wouldn't take my word on it mind, I'm only saying this from my limitted knowledge of the complex question fallacy, I've never studied it in any detail :)

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Postby Jobasha » May 11th, '11, 21:00

Plenty of examples of this. My fav being the white barn.

Have a go yourself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg6qcgoay4

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scie ... rilla.html

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Postby user24 » May 12th, '11, 09:29

Beardy wrote:(Geeky reference? No? Haha)


;) :lol:

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