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And I actually agree

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56K1aDhygEE

I understand what he is saying but I disagree,

Youtube and google is used alot these days, if you don't know something, you google it, want to know how something is done, you check youtube.
The numbers of people knowing secrets will slowly rise, the number of hecklers will rise, the ones that didn't catch you out but saw a tutorial of the routine on youtube. Also its infectious, once they've got a tutorial for one trick, they'll move onto another and another untill they know too much.

Also if you goto a booking for a party of 30 and 1 or 2 of them go home, having to find out how its done, then if you get rebooked chances are they'll know most of the routines, even if you try new ones, they'll get them off related links from the youtube videos.

Many kids, teens and even adults now, wander around on youtube when they're bored looking up stuff, if they have something on their mind, they'll look it up. Also, if people look at it as a problem now, then it's only going to get worse.

I think too, if there is such a relaxed attitude towards it, more tricks will be exposed, putting the magicians who created the tricks out of pocket because people are less likely to buy the dvd.

That's my opinion on it.

Ricky Gibson

Ricky Gibson wrote:I understand what he is saying but I disagree,

That's my opinion on it.

Ricky Gibson

I have to agree with you. It's happening and it's snowballing. These videos, often by kids who know nothing about the ART of conjuring, are ruining magic. I don't think there is a solution and it truly saddens me to see this total lack of respect for those who do magic for a living and for those who came up with sleights, moves and routines.

6 Billion people that dont know the secret to magic tricks.Most of them would never have seen magic before.Now if 6 billion people were to be shown a close up show.What percentage would go home and ''Google that''.I think the problem (not that there is much of one) lies where people have already seen the magic,post performance and the google it.

I remember starting a topic about this a few months back only to find myself just not caring.They're just magic tricks.There is more important things in life.What proves it is that most of the people who tell you they're going to google it actually don't.

A lot of people will say if you put your own presentation on effects then they can't be googled.This is true for the more obscure effects but when it comes to simple visual effects this does not seem to be the case.

For example you may have the 600043rd card trick mastered to your own presentation that no one will find on google becuase they dont have the key words.However,no amount of presentation can mask the Google search -Vanish hanky or Cups and little balls magic trick-.But like I said it's just a magic trick at the end of the day.

I find a lot of people don't even want to know the secrets if you make them laugh and have fun anyways.I feel like I'm wasting time even posting this,that's how much I care about exposure really.In my oppinion there is nothing to worry about.No one can do your tricks as good as you no matter how many tutorials there are.

I understand your point of view flood, everyone has their opinions, some care and some don't.

Honestly, I wont lose sleep over it and I'm not going to rant on every video which exposes magic, also I probably wouldn't have bothered posting if the topic wasn't brought up but I still don't agree with it.

I was just voicing my opinion and I'm sticking with it.

Ricky Gibson

If the magic is performed well, the layman won't have a clue what to put into the search box anyway. They simply won't notice what is happening and when.

The only big danger are things such as WOW. Gimmicks which are in view of the specs. Hidden gimmicks wouldn't even enter the mind.

How many of us can sincerely say that an entire gig has been ruined by someone who knows? If that is the case, it may be time to try out a less gimmicked routine.

Alec

I've never cared about exposure. It has never done any harm to the art of magic.

Mos tricks that can be found on the Internet are very simple and easy. (I used to use YouTube and google but moved on to books and DVDs because of this.) Unless more advanced tricks are revealed then there's not much of a problem, in my opinion.

As the last poster pointed out I agree that most tricks exposed are those "mainstream" effects like "STS" WOW, and all those new hyped things, I you have a solid and unique presentation, and furthermore quite self explantory, if you stick to tricks from books rather than buying every new DVD that comes out you'll be in no danger at all.

Ricky Gibson wrote:I understand your point of view flood, everyone has their opinions, some care and some don't.

Honestly, I wont lose sleep over it and I'm not going to rant on every video which exposes magic, also I probably wouldn't have bothered posting if the topic wasn't brought up but I still don't agree with it.

I was just voicing my opinion and I'm sticking with it.

Ricky Gibson

I agree with you totally.

It would make our lives a lot easier if there was no internet exposure of methods.Having said that I don't think it's anything to really worry about.I don't think the topic deserves that much attention although I completely understand why it would cause concern.

I think that if every single trick ever invented was exposed on the internet there would still be as many successful magicians around as there are now.

A lot of people don't want to know methods and most people just can't be arsed to find out even if the answer is just two clicks away.They'd rather like the latest facebook group than figure out magic tricks.

Again like I said that's my opinion and I can understand why some people might get upset about exposure

Has this actually happended to you? Have you actually gone out and performed some magic and your spectators ran home (or whatever) and researched how it was done? If so, stop performing tricks and start performing magic.

If people are stopping you during your performance and telling you they know how it is done or they looked it up on google, then see the above advice. If you are entertaining them they are too busy being entertained to worry about all the rest, if you are doing a trick, or performing a puzzle then you are creating a challenge and/or making them feel foolish and that is why they are looking it up, or trying to throw you off, it is because their back is against the wall.

The absolute worst type of exposure is not done through blatent exposure, because in the end the vast majority of the population doesn't care how its done, (only magicians really put that much thought or time towards magic) and this is quicky forgotten.

What hurts is exposure through magic done badly. Plain and simple, because usually when a magician is just bad, we tend tend to remember such things. And that is what hurts.

When I first started magic I was furious about exposure. But now I dont really mind because I found it didn't cause me a problem. What I do dislike is the spreading of a bad image of magic. Bad magicians are a big cause of this, but the magician stereotype doesnt help. But I just ignore all that and make myself as good as I can be (or at least I try ) because it is the quality and entertainment value of your own performance that matters at the end of the day.

I heard they used to do that in the 1920's to all the stage acts and sell them in a periodical circulation , guess it means now you just have to be better than youtube exposures, LOL

The best way in my opinion to beat exposure is to be original. So many magicians do the same routines, using the same patter. Put together your own routines, come up with your own material and they'll have no chance of finding it on YouTube or Google.

That is always the best way. Writing your own material is the way to go!