Rene Lavand's one handed false riffle shuffle?

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Postby hds02115 » Jul 19th, '11, 19:05



mrz0mbie wrote:
hds02115 wrote:I'm sure it takes a hell of a lot of practice and skill to do, and I want to see if I have it.


I can totally buy into this, I like a challenge and I'm one of those people that can happily sit with a deck of cards doing the same thing over and over until i get it, but perhaps you could choose a move that may be more useful?

hds02115 wrote:Just something to think about, you're all talking about performing the effects one handed for the spectators to see. Just think about the idea of using the same kind of techniques but covertly. If you are skilled at doing these, then you can still use both hands, but of course, while one hand mis-directs, the other can be busy doing not so innocent things.



I cant see the point of this to be honest with you, why would you want to false shuffle covertly? surely just not touching the pack achieves the same thing. If you're shuffling, you want people to see that you're shuffling the pack up?


Well, as for the whole issue of if this paticular move is useful, I think I'd definatly use it, I mean, I'd bet that a large number of magicians can't perform a one handed false riffle, and I'm sure that the thought of such a move hasn't ever popped into the head of your spectators. That's why I think it would be a useful move, very deceptive.

As for the second part you quoted me on, I wasn't actually talking about the shuffle in this instant, I was refering to the slights used to perform one handed, and that maybe people shouldn't use them to show that they can perform effect X one handed, but rather, use the skills of one handed magic secretly, to perform even more amazing effects, if you understand what I'm trying to say. Basicly, I wasn't talking about trying to shuffle covertly.

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Postby jim ferguson » Jul 19th, '11, 22:46

hds02115 wrote:As for the second part you quoted me on, I wasn't actually talking about the shuffle in this instant, I was refering to the slights used to perform one handed, and that maybe people shouldn't use them to show that they can perform effect X one handed, but rather, use the skills of one handed magic secretly, to perform even more amazing effects, if you understand what I'm trying to say. Basicly, I wasn't talking about trying to shuffle covertly.
    Nice thinking there :)


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Postby hds02115 » Jul 19th, '11, 22:54

Thanks, I think what was said earlier about someone performing one of Rene's effects for a spectator, only for them to think, "is that it?" is probably correct. Rene doing magic one handed is amazing because he only has that one hand. But imagin if you trained to have the skill to perform single handed, but then incorporate that into your normal performances, I'm sure it would open up a whole new bag of tricks, excuse my pun. To be able to do all the normal slights, but single handed will allow you to be free to mis-direct well with the other hand much more effectivly. Atleast I know what I'm talking about in my head, I'm hoping this is coming out in my writing though.

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Postby kartoffelngeist » Jul 20th, '11, 09:02

hds02115 wrote:Well, as for the whole issue of if this paticular move is useful, I think I'd definatly use it, I mean, I'd bet that a large number of magicians can't perform a one handed false riffle, and I'm sure that the thought of such a move hasn't ever popped into the head of your spectators. That's why I think it would be a useful move, very deceptive.


They'd still say "oh, he just did a false shuffle with the one hand", as if it's just a simple thing to do...;)

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Postby hds02115 » Jul 20th, '11, 09:07

Well how yould they know that? Unless you did the move then spread the cards to show the deck in order, but if you didn't, they wouldn't have a clue.

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