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What do people think of this routine for someone just starting out again in card magic, Sv-deck pulled from pocket and riffled to first person who is asked to remember a card from this riffle

Second person has sv routine performed on them (your choice), deck goes back into pocket and ID is plucked from pocket...and you go back to spectator number 1 and ask them their card, card is them given to them...back in pocket, ask spectators 3 & 4 if they would like to see something, standard deck pulled and Out of this World is performed...thus leaving 4 people very happy and contented

This has only just hit me over breakfast....but the beauty being the "deck" is left there for them to see

And if these has been suggested 101 times before I'm sorry!

Asking someone to select a card from a deck that you have just brought out of your pocket (and which has not been shuffled by a spectator or the performer) might raise some suspicions. Remember, it's easier to quell suspicion before it starts.

I would suggest that for better conviciton you should start with a regular deck (which the specs are allowed to shuffle), then (secretly) switch to a Sv or ID.

Otherwise, I feel you would need a good script/ patter to justify why (from the spec's POV) you are putting one deck away, only to pull out another one.

Hope this hepls,

Ade.

I think that's just to many deck switches personally. I'm not a fan of gimmicked cards either and would suggest you just woking out a way to do it all with a regular deck, as it is possible. I could think of a few ideas as to how. Plus as for the routine, it seems like a lot of chopping and changing, I couldn't see it coming off very smooth.

I agree with sparejoker. The deck switches would work if you had a reason for going into the pocket twice, and if all the decks looked the same.

hds02115 wrote:I think that's just to many deck switches personally. I'm not a fan of gimmicked cards either and would suggest you just woking out a way to do it all with a regular deck, as it is possible. I could think of a few ideas as to how. Plus as for the routine, it seems like a lot of chopping and changing, I couldn't see it coming off very smooth.

No such thing as too many, its about how its handled. And there is nothing wrong with gimmicks if you can handle them naturally and dump them efficiently. And if you started with the svengali, I would advise not to show all the cards to magically become the same. Why? They will think everything you do is gimmicked.

And I disagree about the chopping and changing. Its a svengali routine, followed by an ID and then an OOTW. Sounds like three cracking effects to me. Try it on real people and let us know how you got on

The deck switches would work if you had a reason for going into the pocket twice, and if all the decks looked the same.

Well, that was just my thoughts. Each to their own, but I stand by what I said. I'd just use one normal deck to produce the entire routine, this would remove the need to go into the pockets with the deck repeatedly atleast. It would of course take more thinking though, and if it is a routine for beginners, this may cause a problem, so this was just my opinion.

Yes, there is absolutely no need for any deck switch (unless you count the excellent ACR that can be performed if a sven was switched in half-way through a routine).

But that wasn't the question asked He wanted to know about his routine, he didn't want someone to write him a new one I think the 3 effects are really strong, and classics. Perfect for a beginner.

Cheers for advise guys

I agree, there is a lot of messing about, between a Sven and ID routine a craft switch might work, and then a little "oh what about you two, would you like to work with me on something"...as I bring the deck back out of my pocket

I just like the idea of a clean deck finish that can be left on the table

BUT maybe I should just continue working through ROYAL ROAD... and learn some real stuff

Alfred Borden wrote:BUT maybe I should just continue working through ROYAL ROAD... and learn some real stuff

Better yet: dump RRCTM, and get started on Card College Vol 1. You will get a great deal more for your time spent.

SpareJoker wrote:

Alfred Borden wrote:BUT maybe I should just continue working through ROYAL ROAD... and learn some real stuff

Better yet: dump RRCTM, and get started on Card College Vol 1. You will get a great deal more for your time spent.

I've had no experience of Card College, so it might be better than RRTCM. However, I think you should read the things you already have rather than going out buying new ones straight away. After all, it is the practise that counts, not how many books/DVDs you own.

Yeah I agree, if you've stared royal road, then carry on and then start on expert card technique. The card college books are good, but they seem very spacific to one type of thing each volume, this is good because you get a lot of knowledge in there, but to me it's annoying because you don't have it all at hand unless you have the whole set, which could work out to be a bit pricey.

Personally I think that every card magician should have on their shelves the two books mentioned above, and expert at the card table, if only for referance purposes.

Totally agree. Expert at the Card table is a good read as well, full of lots of little tips!

Thanks a lot for advice guys

Appreciated

In the right context, you can switch decks more than once, but I think the ploy you intend to use really only works once. Why have you now put the cards away twice before asking if they want to see something else? You could do something similar by returning the cards to your pocket and that's it. If they ask to see another trick, then you can do "the necessary". If they don't ask, or at least show enthusiasm for more (or disappointment that you've finished), maybe you needed to stop after the first one anyway.

I also think OOTW is such a good trick that it's weakened if you put anything else with it (subject to things such as Luke Jermay's "genuine" OOTW musings as a prelude to the full trick). I use the Galaxy variation from The Art of Astonishment, which involves a genuine shuffle. You could even let a spectator do the shuffle, although unless you are David Blaine with a camera crew, the spectator might make a mess of things, deliberately or otherwise.

Alfred Borden wrote:Hi guys

What do people think of this routine for someone just starting out again in card magic, Sv-deck pulled from pocket and riffled to first person who is asked to remember a card from this riffle

Second person has sv routine performed on them (your choice), deck goes back into pocket and ID is plucked from pocket...and you go back to spectator number 1 and ask them their card, card is them given to them...back in pocket, ask spectators 3 & 4 if they would like to see something, standard deck pulled and Out of this World is performed...thus leaving 4 people very happy and contented

This has only just hit me over breakfast....but the beauty being the "deck" is left there for them to see

And if these has been suggested 101 times before I'm sorry!

All the above are strong effects. I think however that the transitions need to be really smooth due to all the deck switches.

However you do not have to start with a regular deck. If the gimmick decks are handled naturally and you present well then there will be no suspicion about bringing out a deck, about not shuffling the deck. The truth of the matter is only magicians are thinking along those lines, the average spectator doesn't even think about gimmicks or shuffling providing the magicians does not give them a reason too.

If there are any who doubt me, then go out and perform on a regular basis, and once you get passed the 'look what I can do' attitude that we almost all start out with, you will notice that things like proving that decks are normal and coins are real are never an issue.

Also, you can shuffle svengali decks, you can even give them to a spec to shuffle if you know they'll do a riffle shuffle, but this is probably overkill.

Just remember to tell people that it's a "perfectly normal deck of cards" :p