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does any one know which side of the box is facing me when removing them from the packet to see the even numbers side on on a factory sealed ID(e.g. looking for say an ace). also i cant remember if it has jokers or if i removed them.

this isnt worded very well so i hope it makes some sense.

I've never seen an ID with Jokers!

As for which side is which... well which side do you put the deck in? It's really up to you!!!

as i said its not worded very well. i want to know which side is which on a sealed deck.

I'm guessing your after doing the routine from it being shrink wrapped. The ID I've had didn't have the shrink wrap and couldn't tell you which way round it was. But if you are trying to make it look like the pack was sealed what would be the logic and how would you explain why the card was turned round?

Have you tried emailing the retailer?

I understand now what you're aiming to do - whenever I've wanted to show a gimmicked deck as fresh I throw on a new box seal and re-seal the deck.

The instructions I have (written by Daryl) came with an ID in 'classic' order, and it says the cards go in the box even side face up when the box is held flap side up. So I assume from the factory they come that way (at least, from the factory I got that particular deck from). There is no joker in an ID (unless you put one in there yourself)

Although I thought factory IDs didn't come sealed?

kolm wrote:Although I thought factory IDs didn't come sealed?

Aww u beat me too it, none of mine were ever sealed either.

kolm wrote:
Although I thought factory IDs didn't come sealed?

Ill just go and bang my head against the wall. just looked and well....

Vanderbelt wrote: I throw on a new box seal and re-seal the deck.

i think this is the way forward.

Jobasha wrote: But if you are trying to make it look like the pack was sealed what would be the logic and how would you explain why the card was turned round?

its totally illogical, no doubt about it. but if they've built it up in there heads and at the end of the performance i take a punt at what there card is an get it wrong. i will use this as an out.
i'll choose not to explain. it will leave wonder after the initial effect as ill leave them to work themselfs back into a state of agony.

Shawn Farquhar inspired us all huh?!

I actually think it would look more genuine just to buy a new ID, as you open it all up, peek inside to see which way round it is (as part of act) if you see what I mean...nice bit of patter...then take it from there?

The ID is amazing enough an effect in itself, don't underestimate it!

But a brand new ID doesn't have the shrink wrap or deck seal sticker so using a brand new ID and getting that peek is pointless - if you really want to go that way then it's easy enough to put a new sticker on and 're-wrap' the deck.

I'm inclined to agree with Jobasha in terms of presentation, I wouldn't go with it, but then it's not my presentation... so go for it!

Actually, something along the lines of "Now, it's a little known fact, that each deck of Bicycle cards come with one random card upside down, you never know which until you open it....." - not an especially strong presentation in my opinion but it's a presentation all the same.

What about the magician FORCING the card to turn around...pretty amazing huh?

my patter was going to go along the lines of..... [hand them the pack of cards]i need you to think about the pack and make your card stand out amongst the rest, so you could spot it in a crowd, don't lose sight of your card and don't let any one know what it is. and ill speak to you later.
then leave them with the cards in there possession until later(after few hours ill perform for ten mins and finish with this.) the patter in the latter half will be mostly a recap on the events leading to the moment.

do you think it will matter that the deck is not in new deck order, or do you think this will be overlooked? i suspect it won't be noticed, not after they've had a couple of drinks.

i like the idea of leaving them with the packet more than anything else.

How good is your resealing? A spec is going to notice after a little while that the celephane isn't all as it should be. Also, if they're drinking then there's temptation to open the packet - there are c*cks around who wouldn't think twice of it.

My suggestion would be to put the deck in a clear perspex/acrylic box in full view. The box merely re-emphasises the fairness of the effect, further isolating it from possible tampering.

Come to think of it, that's another danger with the spec having the box - people may assume he's rearranged the deck.

Don't worry about new deck order - only magicians think about that. One of my favourite impromptu effects relies on the layperson's ignorance of a new deck order, not once in hundreds of attempts has a spec ever disputed the order that I tell them a new deck comes in.

Vanderbelt wrote:How good is your resealing? A spec is going to notice after a little while that the celephane isn't all as it should be. Also, if they're drinking then there's temptation to open the packet - there are c*cks around who wouldn't think twice of it.

My suggestion would be to put the deck in a clear perspex/acrylic box in full view. The box merely re-emphasises the fairness of the effect, further isolating it from possible tampering.

Come to think of it, that's another danger with the spec having the box - people may assume he's rearranged the deck.

Don't worry about new deck order - only magicians think about that. One of my favourite impromptu effects relies on the layperson's ignorance of a new deck order, not once in hundreds of attempts has a spec ever disputed the order that I tell them a new deck comes in.

resealing took a few attempts but its neat now. the problem of the suspect rearranged deck is overcome by the sealing of the deck. when i give the deck out ill do it in front of others so it all seems fair when it comes to doing it. also i cant imagine them going through the night without mentioning it to others so hopefully this will build suspense along with a short routine before hand.

im not performing it for random people otherwise id do it normally. i can trust the person im giving it to not to look as i know they like magic, it will only enhance the effect. if it all goes balls up and people are confused for the wrong reason ill let you know.

thanks for all the advice and suggestions!!

Just a thought on presentation.

They choose card, then "rub" the card in to the back of the ID box.

Card vanishes, open it up and Voila, one impossibly turned over card.

I prefer to use the ID as an out for a psychological force though.