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Alec Kobain wrote:Is that fair enough?

As fair as fair can be !

TonyB wrote:Did you ever wonder why the public dislikes magic and magicians?
A guy comes on here and asks for information that we (probably rightly) are not willing to just give him. Instead of explaining that politely, we all take turns abusing him, taking the *, and generally sneering at him in a condesending way.
Maybe that's why the public don't warm to us.

People have a negative view of magicians because of online forums? Every forum has got rude obnoxious tits like me in them, it doesn't change what people think.
People dislike magicians because usually their first experience with magic is the socially inept kid in school like me, forcing s*** card tricks on anyone who makes eye contact.

Why should we politely tell him anything? All he had to do was look at the rules and regs on the forum to know what was and wasn't appropriate.

You know as soon as we politely tell him anything he'll just try to find his answer elsewhere. let us have our fun dammit.

daleshrimpton wrote:If you buy a copy of Self Working Mental Magic, By Karl Fulves you will find a number of effects that could be presented in the way that you have described.

the book is very inexpensive, and if this is the kind of magic you like, i am sure the small investment will repay you many times.

Be that as it may ... I don't live in a country where this kind of literature is easy to come by and just the time for the shipment and arrival will slow the matter with ages. This being the case I believe that there is a faster way to get to the answer to my question. As I may be had pointed out the matter is urgent so it's unacceptable for me to just sit and wait for a book that might have what I need (and knowing my luck it probably won't) I can see why you would feel you must protect the secrets to you magic tricks at all coasts. The great magician never reveals his secrets I know. But I don't ask for your secrets, or for all your magic tricks. I simply ask you to help me out figure the right pattern just so I won't have to rediscover the hot water when someone already has.

The important point here isn't whether we reveal our secrets or not, it's whether we reveal secrets belonging to other people. Regardless of any individual stances on that point, the policy of TalkMagic is to not to do so – those secrets belong to others and they’re not ours to reveal. The best we can do is point you in the direction of where you can discover methods for yourself in books, PDFs, DVDs etc and that’s what Dale has done. Apologies if this isn't what you assumed we could do but the point is made clear in the Rules and Regs section.

I can't agree with you... I do love magicians and magic tricks. Actually I believe everyone does. I like to think that the only reason why any of these fine gentleman are not giving me the information to this trick is probably because they too don't have the answer to it. It is a difficult trick to perform and you'll need to have the combination for it.

If this is the case, I suggest you don't dig to find out how these things work. Believe me when I say that knowing for sure how *some* tricks work takes the shine off magic in general. I've not been learning for long and still don't know how the vast majority actually work, but I now have to try quite hard to stop looking for the method and enjoy that childlike wonder instead.

With tricks like you saw I suspect that sitting down with a pen and paper would reveal the pattern. If you found a recording of the trick you saw (contact the TV company, maybe) you'd be able to see again the method used.
Out of curiosity, why do you have a "need to know" deadline? Have you made a bet or something?

Lawrence wrote:Maybe combine the 2 and trim the fat?

Wait...what?

So now I'm old and fat?!!

Cheeky bu**ers

magicrob wrote:

Lawrence wrote:Maybe combine the 2 and trim the fat?

Wait...what?

So now I'm old and fat?!!

Cheeky bu**ers

Now now

I never said you were old

Lawrence wrote:

magicrob wrote:

Lawrence wrote:Maybe combine the 2 and trim the fat?

Wait...what?

So now I'm old and fat?!!

Cheeky bu**ers

Now now

I never said you were old

That's true! It was me that said you are old!

Lawrence wrote:

TonyB wrote:Did you ever wonder why the public dislikes magic and magicians?

I always assumed it's because we're a bunch of dickheads; but i could be wrong

You could also be right.

Mandrake wrote:The best we can do is point you in the direction of where you can discover methods for yourself in books, PDFs, DVDs etc and that’s what Dale has done. Apologies if this isn't what you assumed we could do but the point is made clear in the Rules and Regs section.

No I do realize it. It's not what I expected but I do appreciate it and it is the kind of help I needed. No apologies necessary

BigShot wrote:With tricks like you saw I suspect that sitting down with a pen and paper would reveal the pattern. If you found a recording of the trick you saw (contact the TV company, maybe) you'd be able to see again the method used. Out of curiosity, why do you have a "need to know" deadline? Have you made a bet or something?

That would be my third move (the first searching the web and the second meeting with a mathematician). I kinda hope I am smart enough to get it just by using the first two steps. The 3rd would get complicated. The TV stations are not as friendly as one might think
Funny you should ask ... It's a either cute or very boring story. I txt a girl 'trick or treat' for Halloween and she asked for both so I made a promise that I'll show a magic trick in exchange for some sweets so she said magic first and here I am... Searching of a magic trick that may not even be there. The things I do out of the stupidest reasons, then again it is my nature to challenge myself. Anyway ... I said that magic only happens during Sundays to give me some time to find the darn thing but for my surprise and bad luck the trick I want to perform (the same one i am asking for now) was not that easy to find. A man would think that considering it was on a TV show one might put it in the net but then again who would bother to do that? So that being said I have till Sunday to perfect this, or at least have 70% successes just so I can give it a try and hope for the best. If I wait any longer the trick won't be as interesting.

JustMe wrote:

daleshrimpton wrote:If you buy a copy of Self Working Mental Magic, By Karl Fulves you will find a number of effects that could be presented in the way that you have described.

the book is very inexpensive, and if this is the kind of magic you like, i am sure the small investment will repay you many times.

Be that as it may ... I don't live in a country where this kind of literature is easy to come by and just the time for the shipment and arrival will slow the matter with ages..

I find that hard to believe. The Fulves books, are available in just about every magic shop on the face of the globe. they are also available via most normal on line book shops, like Amazon... I suggest you try.

Thank you for your honesty.
So that you don't waste any more time, I'll inform you that you won't find the answers you require on here.

Good luck with the girl but stop promising what you can't deliver!!

I guarantee you... this is not the first time and will not be the last time someone has put themselves in a stupid situation over a girl. :p

OK, so if you have 1 week to go I'd like to make a suggestion. Keep looking for this trick as a project as it has obviously hooked you somehow. However, you might want to consider starting to learn another trick as of now so you have something a bit more polished to show. You could pop into your local magic shop and ask for something suitable or, as suggested, get a magic book from a shop (or maybe your local library - many good magicians started there) and pick a couple of tricks and practice for a few hours a day. I say "a couple" because as any magician who has performed will know, if you do a good job there's a very high chance of being asked to do another.
With just one you're left having to repeat (which is usually not a good idea) but with a second you can play hard to get and then "OK, just one more but this really is the lot, OK?" and perform your second.

It still comes back to my previous comment though... if you don't want to start looking at magic from a technical point of view instead of your current way, think hard about whether you want to start learning too much.

To add a little to what Alec just posted...

...the reason you won't get any straight answers on here is because it's far too easy to just ask the question "how?". That's not really how magic works though. Before anyone will answer the "how", you need to put in the effort on your own. Read books, study, practice and then start asking questions.

If you do the above you'll find information far easier to get out of people (but it's still usually in the form of pointing you towards a book and not just giving you the answer you need), but that means becoming a magician to some degree. To just learn a single trick you're unlikely to get anywhere.

No i know. ... I almost figured it out with some tips I got from both you, some other guys and a mathematician.

We don't have any magic shops in the country I am. The magicians in my country buy their stuff abroat and have them shiped. The shipping of any materials is 30 days plus the cash is also an issue here.

p.s. Kobain I really don't care about what you think if you don't have any usefull information to offer I would rather have you silent than spaming. You spent 12 years wasting your time ... another 2 minutes more or less won't really changee your life.