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magic hexagon

Postby JustMe » Nov 6th, '11, 13:57



Just by having a simple hexagon (like the one on the picture) at hand u make a man from the crowd to pick a cell with a number and without looking wich one has he picked you guide him to get to the cell with 1 on it.

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i saw it on one old magical tv show. The magician looked at the camera. The hexagon appeared on the screen and he made the guys that are watching the show from their tvs at home to pick a cell. Then after following his instructions he lead us to the cell with 1.

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Re: magic hexagon

Postby Lawrence » Nov 7th, '11, 09:23

The mathematician in me wants to point out that your picture technically isn't a hexagon.

The magician in me wants to say it's probably in Fulves; it'll be in Fulves, yeah? It usually is

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Re: magic hexagon

Postby Chris Black » Nov 7th, '11, 11:15

Lawrence wrote:The mathematician in me wants to point out that your picture technically isn't a hexagon.

The magician in me wants to say it's probably in Fulves; it'll be in Fulves, yeah? It usually is


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Re: magic hexagon

Postby JustMe » Nov 7th, '11, 11:44

I am not sure what you mean by Fulves.... What i do know is that after the first 3 rounds of instructions the outer circle of numbers disappeared and then 2 more and another 2 more and so on until there was only two left and we were all pointing at the same one.

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Re: magic hexagon

Postby Chris Black » Nov 7th, '11, 12:55

I think Lawrence was saying that Karl Fulves may have written up this routine in one of his many publications.

I can't help you out as to which one though. Here's a list...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Fulves

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Re: magic hexagon

Postby daleshrimpton » Nov 7th, '11, 14:05

i think this is one of Martin Gardners effects.

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Re: magic hexagon

Postby Mandrake » Nov 7th, '11, 14:11

According to Wikki which shows the same hexagon as above:

A magic hexagon of order n is an arrangement of numbers in a centered hexagonal pattern with n cells on each edge, in such a way that the numbers in each row, in all three directions, sum to the same magic constant. A normal magic hexagon contains the consecutive integers from 1 to 3n2 − 3n + 1. It turns out that magic hexagons exist only for n = 1 (which is trivial) and n = 3. Moreover, the solution of order 3 is essentially unique.[1] Meng also gave a less intricate constructive proof.[2]

The order-3 magic hexagon has been published many times as a 'new' discovery. An early reference, and possibly the first discoverer, is Ernst von Haselberg (1887).

Although there are no normal magical hexagons with order greater than 3, certain abnormal ones do exist. In this case, abnormal means starting the sequence of numbers other than with 1.


In other words, as M ("Sit down 007") is known it's fairly easy to work out the sequence of numbers on the rows, a bit like a variation on the magic square - a square with the corners knocked off if you like!

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Re: magic hexagon

Postby JustMe » Nov 7th, '11, 15:03

ACE T wrote:I think Lawrence was saying that Karl Fulves may have written up this routine in one of his many publications.

I can't help you out as to which one though. Here's a list...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Fulves" target="_blank


Humm Thanks for the advice ... I'll look in to them.

Mandrake wrote:According to Wikki which shows the same hexagon as above:

A magic hexagon of order n is an arrangement of numbers in a centered hexagonal pattern with n cells on each edge, in such a way that the numbers in each row, in all three directions, sum to the same magic constant. A normal magic hexagon contains the consecutive integers from 1 to 3n2 − 3n + 1. It turns out that magic hexagons exist only for n = 1 (which is trivial) and n = 3. Moreover, the solution of order 3 is essentially unique.[1] Meng also gave a less intricate constructive proof.[2]

The order-3 magic hexagon has been published many times as a 'new' discovery. An early reference, and possibly the first discoverer, is Ernst von Haselberg (1887).

Although there are no normal magical hexagons with order greater than 3, certain abnormal ones do exist. In this case, abnormal means starting the sequence of numbers other than with 1.


In other words, as M ("Sit down 007") is known it's fairly easy to work out the sequence of numbers on the rows, a bit like a variation on the magic square - a square with the corners knocked off if you like!


Thanks that actually might help me!!! Though what I want is a bit different. The pattern in this wiki hexagon depends on the numbers in the cells but what I want to achieve is to make it depend on the moves between cells thus making a master pattern.

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Re: magic hexagon

Postby Mandrake » Nov 7th, '11, 15:15

JustMe wrote:Thanks that actually might help me!!! Though what I want is a bit different. The pattern in this wiki hexagon depends on the numbers in the cells but what I want to achieve is to make it depend on the moves between cells thus making a master pattern.


Probably something a mathematician can ponder on but, as maths was never my strong point, that counts me out :wink: !

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Re: magic hexagon

Postby Lawrence » Nov 7th, '11, 15:45

Mandrake wrote:
JustMe wrote:Thanks that actually might help me!!! Though what I want is a bit different. The pattern in this wiki hexagon depends on the numbers in the cells but what I want to achieve is to make it depend on the moves between cells thus making a master pattern.


Probably something a mathematician can ponder on but, as maths was never my strong point, that counts me out :wink: !


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Re: magic hexagon

Postby Ste Porterfield » Nov 7th, '11, 18:41

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Re: magic hexagon

Postby JustMe » Nov 7th, '11, 19:30

Mandrake wrote:
JustMe wrote:Thanks that actually might help me!!! Though what I want is a bit different. The pattern in this wiki hexagon depends on the numbers in the cells but what I want to achieve is to make it depend on the moves between cells thus making a master pattern.


Probably something a mathematician can ponder on but, as maths was never my strong point, that counts me out :wink: !


Yeah I'm on it :P

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Re: magic hexagon

Postby Mandrake » Nov 7th, '11, 23:41

I would offer to help but my Abacus is in for a 1,000 calculations service....

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Re: magic hexagon

Postby JustMe » Nov 8th, '11, 00:12

:D really? Only 1,000? My computer calculator is like *checks the service* wow ... too many. Then again may be your Abacus is a bit more accurate than whatever windos has to offer. Thanks though :) I am sure I'll get it eventually. from 19 cells I am down to 5 which si greate and the fail % is surprisingly low :) I would hate to trouble you. especially if you don't have something similar that you can lean on. Any good suggestions for the 5 cells left are more than welcome though :)

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Re: magic hexagon

Postby MiKo » Nov 15th, '11, 14:22

Lawrence wrote:The mathematician in me wants to point out that your picture technically isn't a hexagon.

The magician in me wants to say it's probably in Fulves; it'll be in Fulves, yeah? It usually is


The discrete mathematician in me wants to point out that it is a perfectly fine hexagon :lol:

The magician in me is still nonexistent, so he stays quiet: I am not even sure I got OP's question correctly, though I find the topic fascinating...

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