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I've been wondering recently about something I've been playing about with lately and I'm wondering if anyone could perhaps shead some light on it. It's a force I've had a play about with and I'm wondering if it's been looked at or published by another before, or anything similar.

Effectively what you would do is spread the cards out on the table showing the entire deck to be shuffled. You then collect the cards up and leave the deck face down on the table. Now instruct your participant to cut the cards and take a look at the bottom card of the packet they lifted off. They can then replace and square up the deck. You're now able to quickly determine their card with little effort and no contact with the deck.

I won't go into the method but if anyone knows of something similar or would be interested in more details about it then pm me. I will say though that the spread is not a cover for a sleight nor is a marked deck used. In fact the magician could face away the entire time.

Any input welcome.

If the cards are ever so slightly prepared before hand, not visibly, but "prepared" with a certain kind of bend, then it has been done many, many times.

Nope no bends or crimps are used. Give me a little credit.

[Edit] Just to add, no wires, magnets, peeks, ect. If you need more infomation to better help look for a possible source then pm me and I'll divulge it with you.

So your back is turned the entire time, and there is no preparation in the cards.....

Dodgy deck?

You can spread the cards to show they are all shuffled, then you don't touch them again. You don't have to spread them but the point is you can. It's not a trick deck, I hate those things. So regular deck.

Feel free to keep trying to guess but I'm not really asking people to guess it, I'm asking for maybe help tracking down anything similar. I'm not going to openly write how it's done so if people need to know then they only need to ask.

hds02115 wrote: It's not a trick deck, I hate those things.

Why?! They make life easier.

hds02115 wrote:Feel free to keep trying to guess

The only thing I can think of is you would approximte to 3/4 cards in a memorised stack.

Or just ask them to tell you what the card is and retrieve a billet from a Q5 index.

Or switch to a one way forcing deck after you showed them the faces.

Damn. I have no clue - will you put this in your book?

LP.

No disrespect intended, but "give me a little more credit" is a bit ridiculous. Some of the greatest card handlers of all time have used Breather's as force method for years.

You say you can "show the deck shuffled" which I presume means you can't let the spectator shuffle, which is exactly what you can do with the method I was implying. They shuffle, they cut, a card is forced or can be divined etc...

I wasn't trying to offend or slag off that method of forcing, I was more asking you to give me credit of knowing that type of thing of force had been done before. I think that almost anyone who's been handling cards for more than a few months will have come across crimps and bends to mark or force cards. This isn't like that. It's something that despite my how ever many years of being involved and performing I've not come across to my knowledge.

Okay, I get you. However, given what you have described, how is this method better than using a breather? The deck presumably can't be shuffled by the spectator? And if "little effort" is needed to determine the card, you aren't forcing one card, you're forcing one of a few? Again, I don't know what method you are using and you won't know of the origin until you share it with someone knowledgeable, several people realistically...but what advantages does your new method offer?

No worries. This might not have the save aspects as other forces, but at the same time it might have pro's in other aspects. I've just been playing with it so to be honest I'm not really too sure of it myself, or even if it's already been explored by another. There are many forces out there though and some are better for certain things where others aren't so this might still have it's place.

As for sharing it, I'm not going to openly write it on here as I know there are more than just members who view this forum and even in the restricted section it's still not that exclusive. I have said though a few times that if people think they can help to let me know and I'll explain. I've been contacted by only one person so far which makes me think that people aren't quite getting the point. I enjoy the guesses but really I'm after infomation and help.

So again for the record and anyone who is reading this, please if you think you can help in these ways contact me and I'll help give more details to help.

Getcha. I'll see if it rings any bells.

Hm i do a similar force which i discovered by accident, its only about 75% succesful though. I'm pretty sure Derren Brown achieves the same effect in his piece 'Reminisence' to get the spec to cut to a prompt card. But if i remember rightly, his deck is slightly gimmicked to make the force more sure-fire


(edit was just syntax)

cross cut?

er.... I see I've been editted in this thread a bit, shall i therefore assume my guess was correct? (i'll not repeat it)