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Any advice here would be good please guy's.
Really struggling with this move, is this common when learning.
I just cannot get my pinky to move the card off

Very frustrating.

CArl...

When my hand is in position for the One Haunted Tip Poom (!) I find that my index, middle and ring fingers curve away from the top of the deck. Only the tips of the first three fingers are in contact with the front edge (this is also illustrated in H&B's 'Expert card technique').
My little finger curves towards the top of the deck, such that the first phalange/ finder pad is parallel to the top of the deck, and in direct contact with the outer top corner. To TP one card, it can be sometimes easier if there is a break under the card before the TP is executed. Pushing forward with the little finger causes the top card to pivot off my ring finger. As the corner of the card protudes over the front of the deck, push down with the little finger. This will cause the rear edge to lift up, from which poistion it is taken into the palm proper. Sometimes the thumb needs to be away from the rear edge of the deck in order to prevent the top card from snagging on it as it is swung out.

The TP isn't the greatest looking move, don't forget to provide ample misdirection with the free hand!

See 'The Showdown' (Cardshark DVD) for some more great tips.

Hope this helps,

SJ.

It's a beautiful sleight to have in your arsenal. I'd agree with what's already been said above by sparejoker. As for how the palm looks, the hand being held this way with the fingers together does look bad so when I perform this palm I usually do it in the process of placing the deck on the table, it's perfect misdirection for the sleight.

I'll agree that it's in Expert Card Technique along with another one handed top palm called the Hugard Top Plam. This also takes the top card into a classsic palm and is a little easier if that's something you're interested in.

Just keep practicing, it's not as nuckle busting as some sleights so you will get it.

Thank you gentlemen,

I'm sure it's a move I will master in time.
I have watched Darwin do it, still doesn't make it any easier to do though

There's a couple of routines I have shy'de away from because there's palming involved
Having said that. I think it's maybe a case of wanting to run before I can walk.
Gives me something to practice through episodes of Emerdale.

CArl

A good 'intermediate' technique to learn is the Gamblers Cop. It uses a lot of the same timing/ psychology as palming-proper, and is a lot easier to get into/ out of (see 'Mr Lucky' - Carshark).

You may find that learning the Cop will facilitate your palm-work.

Personally, I *still* have trouble palming more than 1 card... Which is a pity, as the 'Dream Card (At The Card Table) is currently beyond me

SpareJoker wrote:A good 'intermediate' technique to learn is the Gamblers Cop. It uses a lot of the same timing/ psychology as palming-proper, and is a lot easier to get into/ out of (see 'Mr Lucky' - Carshark).
You may find that learning the Cop will facilitate your palm-work.
Personally, I *still* have trouble palming more than 1 card... Which is a pity, as the 'Dream Card (At The Card Table) is currently beyond me

Yes SJ,

This is one of the palms I am becoming comfortable with.
Having said that, I still haven't done it in front of anyone yet.

Another one which I am becoming quite familiar with is.
"The Action Palm" It's given quite a good in depth detailing by Lee Smith
in his "Eye Phone" routine.
Misdirection is the key I suppose, as well as confidence.

I've just started to browse through my Darwin Ortiz collection again this past few weeks.
When I first got them, they were a little bit beyond me.
Now some of the material is beginning to look like it may be within my skill levels.
Having said that. "Modern Jazz Aces" is still my favourite Ace routine, & I can perform it effortlessly.

I'll check out "Dream Card"
You'll get it mate.

CArl...

I think one point which Daryl made when explaining this move is that if you spring the cards first, the bend in the cards makes the move easier. It is a good move but, at least when I do it, it's hard to get it 100% all the time, particularly if your hands are dry. I still use the standard palm more often. That said, I don't profess to be an expert at this move. Good luck with it.

Your starring-out of letters in the title made me laugh...

I found it easier to use my thumb rather than pinky to facilitate the palm. By this I mean if you were to hold the deck in perpetration for the palm, upright in front of your face with the back of your hand towards you, the short edge of the deck in contact with your fingertips at 12 o'clock and the short edge in contact with your thumb at 6 o'clock. Imagine your fingertips locked in their position by a clamp, and now your thumb shifts towards 3 o'clock slightly, pivoting the deck around your middle finger until that top right corner is under the pad of your pinky fingertip. Apply a bit of force with the pinky, and shift the thumb back towards 9 o'clock, pivoting the deck but keeping the top card in place thanks to the pinky pressure. This made the OHTP much easier for me.

Glenn Morphew has a nice download on Vanishing Inc that teaches a variation on the sleight. I worked on it for about a month or so and then decided to put it on the side lines and simply work on Topping The Deck (Vernon Top Palm.) and making everything I do look natural with a deck of cards.

Lee Smith has some excellent thoughts on the O.H.T.P.
Contact him and see if he can help you.

I've just rediscovered Walter Gibson's "Complete Illustrated Book of Card Magic" - I picked up a copy for £6 including postage - which is rather more user-friendly than ECT. It includes a OHTP off the table which even I found easy - and I have extremely dry hands and don't do card tricks.

Barry

bit of a bargain Barry.
I have the other gibsons book, complete illustrated book of close up magic, which i picked up 30 years ago, for 50P, in a book shops bargain basket

Yes, I have the close-up one too - got it cheap on Ebay a few years ago. It's scarcer than the card book.

It was his book "What's New in Magic" that sparked my serious interest in magic many years ago. He writes very well indeed.

Barry

If anyone is interested I have a palming download pack that covers several palms, including the one hand palm.

It's at www.virtualmagicshow.com

Eye thangoo.

Getting the card to spring off using my pinky now.
But it's coming out sideways
Another week, & I might be close

CArl..