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This just has to stop.

I recently purchased Lennart Greens dvd's to which I have been studying very hard. I enjoy his work and although it has been said Lennart has been skeptical releasing and marketing his material, I am glad he has. I really enjoyed working hard so I could save up to learn the sleights. Now there is a sleight named " top shot" which is very good. However, on Youtube people such as "mismag" and "asad" are giving it away for free!!! With no permission to Lennart. I can't see how it is fair to those who saved up to purchase this material, it's a kick in the teeth, as it must be for Lennart too!! These people who give away tutorials suggest that they are widening magic, but at what expense? The expense of giving away secrets?! For Free?! You don't have to look very far to see that this does have an impact on the world of magic, some of the greatest card magicians refrain from sharing there material at all (Ricky Jay, Jerry Sadowitz spring to mind), let alone in a correct manner. I can't help but think we are suffering at the ignorance of those who just want some hits on youtube and some credit for being a really wicked magician. I am starting to come around to seeing just why Sadowitz and such do not give out there workings so easily now, whats the point?

I might be way of the mark, but none the less its infuriating!!!!

Just click the report button.

Anyone who puts in the time to learn the top shot must have some dedication as it's not something you can learn in a week, it's very difficult.

Nobody is ever going to be able to control the ease at which people can now exchange information. Even governments can't keep their secret files secret for long.
I understand the frustration but it's a waste of time and probably most people can't be bothered to look through all those you tube vids just to see how a certain effect is done.
What I dislike more is the people trying to make out that magicians are all frauds and that they are exposing us. I'm no fraud, I do magic effects to make people smile. It's a skill, an art, an illusion.

But then on the other side of things we have some people selling effects with massive claims and also claiming the idea as there own when with a little research you find that the effect has actually been around for hundreds of years and very little is said about this.

Out of curiosity do you share tricks with your magician friends that haven't purchased the effect? Ever shown anything to anyone down the pub or anything?

Lawrence wrote:Out of curiosity do you share tricks with your magician friends that haven't purchased the effect? Ever shown anything to anyone down the pub or anything?

None of my friends are magicians.

None of my friends are magicians.

We're all friends here, now give us your secrets

Karma wrote:

None of my friends are magicians.

We're all friends here, now give us your secrets

lol!!

You're paying to be taught the move by an expert. People on youtube often do the stuff wrong anyway, which is why proper magic books and dvds are the best ways of learning.

JabJay wrote:

Lawrence wrote:Out of curiosity do you share tricks with your magician friends that haven't purchased the effect? Ever shown anything to anyone down the pub or anything?

None of my friends are magicians.

Explains a bit there!

Lawrence wrote:

JabJay wrote:

Lawrence wrote:Out of curiosity do you share tricks with your magician friends that haven't purchased the effect? Ever shown anything to anyone down the pub or anything?

None of my friends are magicians.

Explains a bit there!

what do you mean?

Of course you are angry and rightly so BUT do not let these idiots/thieves etc spoil your love of an effect or move etc.
Just go on doing it and DO IT SO WELL that if anyone says'''I saw that on You Tube' you say --'Ah--but I do not perform the trick in that amateur's way-this is how a REAL magician does it. Then blast them.

Remember: 1. Not a lot will look for this except magicians. Some curious folk may or someone may hit on it by accident. BUT
2. The Public memory is very short. Even magicians forget how such and such a trick or move is done.

and--Exposure--a thorn in magicians' sides for many years.
Camel Cigarettes in I think the 1930's exposed Sawing on cigarette cards (little cards enclosed in cig. packs.)
The silly Masked Magician exposed SOME real secrets (many others were Heath Robinson made up things!) BUT
magicians still baffle their audiences today with the same tricks/illusions.

Dante was once told by a man--'I know you use 2 women in the Sawing illusion'. He replied, 'I will pay you several thousands dollars if you can prove I do that'.
His money was safe as he used one womn and one boy!
Robert Harbin-- when the Rings were being sold cheap in stores went on stage--showed such a set and said--'This is how they claim the CLR are done'. Rubbish.(Them them on the stage) Now here is how a real magician does the trick'. Then proceeded to perform with his rings and of course using the traditional method. Applause!
Once I tutored a Workshop on the Rings. Its Finale was my friend, David Charles with his 3 Ring routine. All the magicians present were agog.. 'What new method are you using Dave?'. He then proceeded to show a one and a half inch( 4cms) gap. Shock--surprise--applause!

Get over your anger -- Remember it is What YOU are & HOW (well) you do it that really matters.
To Hell with thieves, exposers and scum bags.

Allen Tipton

Yes these idiots are very annoying I totally agree. But don't get too upset by it. How many views do these clips have? Not many I bet.

It is unlikely anyone you perform for has seen them. And if you put the time in to master it you'll still sure to impress.

Trust me, all these idiots revealing tricks on you tube are going nowhere & will be remembered by no-one. Follow the correct path as you seem to be doing & you will be the one to prosper.

Good luck.

I performed signed card to pocket to someone at work who used to do a little magic - he begged me to find out how it was done. In the end he said he would find out on YouTube...that was about 4 weeks ago