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I am learning this sleight and it seems a very neat way to force a card. My concern is that I don't seem to be able to do it very quietly. So far I have only tried it on my wife and she didn't hear anything.

Is it just that I am so aware of what I am doing or is this a general problem with this sleight and the answer will be our old friend practice, practice, practice?

I had an interesting idea with this force (trying to be general here)...

If you turn the deck in dealers grip so that the side next to your thumb is pointing to the speccy, then riffle down and have them call stop, and flip up so that you form a right angle, with the vertical packet facing the speccy, there's plenty of cover to slowly backslip the top card...

Kati

Kati - I may misunderstand your point, but wouldn't the spectator see what happened as you separated the upper and lower packets slowly, having raised the upper one to 90 degrees? It strikes me that the face of the upper packet will be seen by the spectator and they are likely to see what happens as you perform the backslip move.

I used to have a problem with a "slap" noise but I've modified the way that I separate the upper and lower packets now (keeping them more parallel) so the slap is much less noticeable.

Apologies if this amounts to exposure - I trust that one of the mods will make any amendments that may be necessary!

Thank you. I suppose slowly is the answer to noise. I have been doing it quickly to cover the slip.

I am going to have to keep a deck in my desk drawer, its frustrating having to wait until I get home to try tips like this out.

once i have slipped the cards i usually bring the top half down quite hard on its side edge on the lower half as if I'm squaring them, the motion happens so fast that it sounds like thats creating the sound.
hope this helps

JuanTheMan wrote:Kati - I may misunderstand your point, but wouldn't the spectator see what happened as you separated the upper and lower packets slowly, having raised the upper one to 90 degrees? It strikes me that the face of the upper packet will be seen by the spectator and they are likely to see what happens as you perform the backslip move.

Oops...didn't notice this post.

What I meant is that if you turn your body so that the face of the upper packet is facing towards the speccy, it will completely cover the slip.

I might need a photo for clarification...

Kati

Hi Kati - yes, I'm still a tad confused by this idea. I still believe that, by having the face of the upper packet aimed at the spectator, (s)he will see the "business" as the upper packet is lifted upwards away from the lower packet when backslip force move occurs. Maybe we should use PM as we may need to go into your suggestion explicitly which would be regarded as exposure.

The backslip is indeed a noisy sleight, however this is covered by the excuse that you are moving the deck. Additional misdirection is that you would probably be talking at the same time, thus covering the sound. Also, try and move the deck during the force, rather than keeping it stationary. This is more misdirection and increases the effect upon the audience.

I normally pivot the top half up book fashion and then slide it forward over the bottom whilst doing the slip, that way if there is any noticable noise it is attributable to the visible motion. I tend to say something about not using that bottom card of the top packet as it is too easy for me to get a look at it.

Yes, this is what Kati recommended. I misunderstood him initially about sliding the top packet forwards, scraping the lower packet. I thought that Kati meant to lift the upper packet directly upwards and away from the lower packet, hence allowing the "business" to be seen.

Actually, on the subject of the backslip force, can anyone think of a better excuse for showing the bottom card but not using it?

I do it and I immediately get interrupted, thusly:

Me: I'm not going to use this card --

Spec: Why? I want this card. Not that one. I chose this one and I want it now!

Me: hems and hawes

Spec: Aha! You're doing something fishy. OK then...

Me::oops:.

You get the idea .

I was thinking along the lines of: "you could have chosen this card (show bottom card) or this card (show second card from top) but you didn't - you showed this one!".

Any other ideas?

Kati

Simply cut the top half to the bottom, and only offer the one card. That or move the lower half towards them, queing them to take the card. Don't let them believe there could have been a choice in the first place.

=o)

~Sym~

Yeah, I normally don't let the possiblity of using the bottom card of the top packet come up but will occasionally say something on the lines of 'we won't use this one as I have seen it now'

To help withthe noise, I usually pull the top pack away from the place where the base of the card is held to do the force (if you follow me) and I slide the half im pulling away along the half im keeping so that it look like the sound is coming from me moving half against half. It has never been commented on. This is also good as you can cover the deck (in their view point) as the card comes off and slaps down, if you hold the top of the deck towards them. (hope this doesnt expose).

Hmmm... I usually refer to this as a slip-cut (can someone clarify?)

My personal version which I've done for yonks is to hold the deck in left dealer grip. My right hand grips from above at the right hand side of the deck.

I then open the deck (as Nick suggests) like a book with my right hand, but I hinge the deck on it's right edge. I only lift the 'book' about 20° from horizontal, so the bottom card is rarely seen anyway.

Immediately I pull the top half to the left, and the view of the 'slip cut' is hidden by the right hand, which should be palm parallel to the deck.

Following the natural angle the top half is at, I move it upwards and away from the lower half in a 'C' shape, drawing the 'C' from the bottom right, curving left and up, and then to the right.

I then table the top half immediately, preferably in front of the spectator. This brings the bottom card out of play, so there is no suspicion. Slap the lower half of the deck on top of the tabled portion, which brings the force card to the top.

There is no noise, and the whole thing is done naturally and smoothly.

As with all of these sleights, learn the Un-Sleight first: practice the move WITHOUT the slip. This way, you will get a good feeling of how you WANT the move to look.

Then, emulate the clean move with the slip added.

Done smoothly, there is no distinguishing from a real cut.