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anyone use this? and does it really fool people?
it seems to simple to be effective

Its far from simple. You need misdirection to hide the actions.

It's a gorgeous move, but as Dale says, you really need to do it rather under cover of patter/misdirection to disguise it's ugly and potentially obvious method!

And yes—it really DOES fool people, if done swiftly.

Personally, I have adopted the Orion count (Reed McClintock) as a variation, as I find it smoother and more elegant.

I find that done slowly, it can fool providing you physically distance the stack away from the cards you remove.
It gives time for the spectator to forget what happened.

I've found that when I use a flustration count with regular cards, it doesn't come accross well (ie people figure it out) but with blank cards, special cards (e.g. Jim Pace's "The Web") or ESP cards it seems to be accepted quite well.

I love it and think it has loads of great applications.

The problem with doing it with regular cards is that people know that you shouldn't have more than one of each card, so they immediately get suspicious.

I find that the Orion Count is much better - in fact, I once just showed it to my guinea pig - ahem, brother, and he actually liked it as an effect on it's own.

Kati

katrielalex wrote:The problem with doing it with regular cards is that people know that you shouldn't have more than one of each card, so they immediately get suspicious.

I find the Flustration and Orion are most useful when you need to conceal the BACKS of the cards actually... such as:

1. During a colour change routine
2. When using double sided cards (You can use a Flustration to show all jokers at the start of NFW...)
3. Showing cards that are all blank on BOTH sides, only to suddenly show they all of a sudden have backs, then all of a sudden have fronts!

The flustration is a creative utility move, imho.

I have three or four effects based around the Flustration count and it's always a fooler. I agree that part of selling this move to the lay person is the patter. With the movement repetative repetative, this tends in my opinion to misdirect the person's attention towards the patter after the first couple of counts, and the spec then tends to keep the cards in their peripheral vision until the repetative movement stops.

Lennart Green's Swedes Count is a nice variation.

personally i use flustration count not so often. in order to show always the same card I prefer rumba count. Not so fluid but most deceptive in my opinion. In my color monte routine i use both counts , in order to have a bit of variation.

I find the Flushtration count (i can't remember where it was but someone quite rightly corrected us on this forum that it's the FLUSHtration count and not the FLUStration count) is only useful when you have a reason to show the backs of the cards. If you don't have this reason to show the backs then it will look suspicious when you show it everytime anyway.

However, with the orion count it may look like you are showing off a little, but it looks alot more fair than the flushtration count and also has the backs shown implicitly as part of the technique. I like it alot and use it in place of the Flushtration count.

seige wrote:You can use a Flustration to show all jokers at the start of NFW

I've seen this said before here and it can only lead me to believe that the "flustration count" I've been taught is not the same as the one you guys talk about.

I agree with Silkolene

The Flustration as I know it is used to show one card repetatively and in a certain way, to give the impression that there is more than one.

dat8962 wrote:I agree with Silkolene

The Flustration as I know it is used to show one card repetatively and in a certain way, to give the impression that there is more than one.

thats what it is!... and as Evmeister pointed out it IS actually called Flushtration count

I don't suppose some kind soul would PM me to explain how to use FC to show the jokers in NFW? I must be missing something.

I do display four jokers, but I'm not especially happy with my method!

At the moment, I only use FC for Done With Mirrors - and four cards are displayed at the end of each count.