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Hey guys, I received my ID today and just wondered if anyone here had any advice on more unusual routines? I find the ususal 'think of card, oh look its the one i turned over' or 'turn a card over in your imaginary deck' routines leave me a bit cold. There is so much potential in the deck, so just wondered if anyone had any better ideas?
Thanks very much! Mark

if you get someone to think of a card, then put the deck in the box to 'shuffle' it, then bring it out, show their card overturned, do it again to another spectator (putting it in the obx to shuffle) and do it to about 3 people, then they will want to examine the box. I like to use the 'phone somebody that doesn't knwo where you are' and get them to name a card.
also, you could write a prediction, fold it up and place it infornt of everybody, (say the 9 of hearts) give them a normal deck with the same back, let them shuffle, put behind their back and reverse a card, then shuffle again. then get the cards back, switch the decks as you talk about your prediction, show the 9h turned over, then ask a spec to open the prediction. they are the only ones i have done including the ones you mentioned, and i cant think of any more atm, i will set my incredible thinking power on it later and edit here if i can get some good ones.

No need for an ID with the routine you just described involving a deck switch, a regular deck with the 9 pre turned over would be more effective as it could be handled by the spec.

jokerdan wrote:also, you could write a prediction, fold it up and place it infornt of everybody, (say the 9 of hearts) give them a normal deck with the same back, let them shuffle, put behind their back and reverse a card, then shuffle again. then get the cards back, switch the decks as you talk about your prediction, show the 9h turned over, then ask a spec to open the prediction. they are the only ones i have done including the ones you mentioned, and i cant think of any more atm, i will set my incredible thinking power on it later and edit here if i can get some good ones.

Yeh, as HT said it wouldnt be necessary to use an ID, but I do really like this idea for a trick! Thats really good! Thanks for this idea alone! But yeh, if you do think of any other great ideas, I'd love to hear them!
It does also work as a great 'out', if you lose the card the person had chosen, you can pull out the ID and say that you'd made a prediction earlier! very useful.
Thanks again!

Myself, I prefer using the ID (Actually, the BW deck!) as a backup, or as an EXTRA kicker to a trick. For example if I force a card, then perform say Ambitious Card... I will say something like "Well actually, it's really easy. See I knew all along which card you were going to pick!".. Then proceed with ID/BW

As a backup, if you a performing a non-signed trick, and you mess up.. Simply say "Out of interest, what was your card?". Then proceed with ID/BW

~Sym~

Symtal wrote:As a backup, if you a performing a non-signed trick, and you mess up.. Simply say "Out of interest, what was your card?". Then proceed with ID/BW

Yes yes YES!

Finally, a like minded 'out of the box' thinker!

There is a whole world of improvisation around the ID. And I like Sym's thinking here that the ID can be used as part of the secret arsenal for an 'out'.

Think also: Take a regular BLUE deck and a red ID deck to your local pub01. Place the red ID deck on the table, off the baize, and show the blue deck, let it be examined, let it be shuffled. Ask a speccy to spread the BLUE cards over a pool table, face down. The red ID deck remains in view the whole time.

The speccy is asked to hit the white ball and turn over the card it lands on.

When they do, take the red ID deck at fingertips, and reveal the SAME card to be turned over in the ID deck.

See how easy it is to use UTILITY decks such as the ID to perform something mindblowing and unexplainable?

Well that's three of us as what Sym's described is what I was taught at the beginning as an insurance policy for those bad hair days that happen to everybody else in magic! (I wish)

ID/BW are great tricks as the get you home every time and only face up card being theirs not only saves lives but makes people think they've been suckered and you not only knew the card all along but truly are an amazing magician!

Siege, from your comments am I to assume that most people perform the tricks they've bought as they were told and without variation? (Serious question - honest.)


Vic

vic_vdb wrote:Siege, from your comments am I to assume that most people perform the tricks they've bought as they were told and without variation? (Serious question - honest.)

You wouldn't believe how many people DO think that the supplied instructions/effect are the be-all/end-all.

There are two kinds of people out there: creative, and passive

To put it in perspective, do you remember at school the kid with the MASSIVE collection of colouring pencils who could only every do the 'paint-by-numbers' pictures. Albeit they would do it really well, it was still just the same as everyone else was doing.

But also remember the guy or girl with a set of 4 pencils who could take a blank sheet of paper and make a masterpiece?

The same happens with magic. I have even seen magicians earning money from 'out of the box' routines.

As with the lad with the 'paint by numbers' masterpieces—there's nothing wrong with it at all. But the more creative people will adapt, re-invent and often re-define the way an effect is done.

There is no right or wrong to it, but it does annoy me a little bit that people don't experiment.

This is the reason I prefer books to DVDs. My thinking goes like this:

If you read a book you interpret the instructions (and pictures) in a way that lends itself to adoption of the trick but not mimickry.

If you watch a DVD you copy the moves, the body language and the patter and the magic is done by a clone.

I enjoy out of the box tricks but then think of ways that will make them mine, not because I'm good, clever or handsome but because I like trying things and enjoy seeing people's faces if the stuff doesn't fit their expectations.

That's why I does magic I suppose - something there - something gone - that look of 'O.K., where is it?:


Vic

Absolutely!

The ability to think and adapt is vital, yet many magicians seem to just read and regurgitate. The number of people I had to deal with when I worked at a magic shop who just wanted a box that would do a trick and come with at least one full presentation was incredible to me.

Also, a lot of packet tricks only come with fairly mediocre patter suggestions anyway, since most of the innovators want to promote a little creativity, which could be partially responsible for the number of new magicians who complain that they get poor reactions to effects we all know to be outstanding.

Thats why most, if not all DVDs should be taught as De'Vo does it, silently but in amazing detail.

But also remember the guy or girl with a set of 4 pencils who could take a blank sheet of paper and make a masterpiece?

I can do it with a biro Not that I'm big-headed or anyhitng...

Mark, reckon you can change edit the title to ID and creativity ideas or something along those lines? we could have a good discussion...

jokerdan wrote:Thats why most, if not all DVDs should be taught as De'Vo does it, silently but in amazing detail.

But also remember the guy or girl with a set of 4 pencils who could take a blank sheet of paper and make a masterpiece?

I can do it with a biro Not that I'm big-headed or anyhitng...

Mark, reckon you can change edit the title to ID and creativity ideas or something along those lines? we could have a good discussion...

Have done! Thanks so much for the discussion so far, its been really insightful!

Mark Smith wrote:Hey guys, I received my ID today and just wondered if anyone here had any advice on more unusual routines? I find the ususal 'think of card, oh look its the one i turned over' or 'turn a card over in your imaginary deck' routines leave me a bit cold. There is so much potential in the deck, so just wondered if anyone had any better ideas?
Thanks very much! Mark

Mark,

Here is a way of using an ID (I.D.) that I've thought of, which is not to say that many others have not done the same before. (My dad told me that he invented the rod-n-reel fishing pole, only to discover that someone had already done it!)

Anyway, you'll need the I.D., plus a simple marked deck as well, which you can buy wherever you bought the ID.

You ask the participant to pick a card from the face-down deck (the marked deck) and to place the card on top, still face down. I haven't worked out the perfect "mind control" or "mind reading" patter.

You look at the participant's card and know what it is because it's marked, but the participant doesn't know that you know.

You pull out the ID and cause the proper card to appear. Then ask the participant slowly to turn over each card, first in the ID, then the one on top of the other deck. You marvel that the experiment succeeded. So does he.

I haven't tried this yet, but it seems to me like a good way to combine a couple of different gimmicks.

Dave Schultz

For a mind control slant on that, how about narrowing the choices down. Get them to pick on half of the deck, then split that and pick a half, then arrange some of the cards in piles close or far from the spec etc until only one card is left. I would then probably consider brainwave rather than ID so that the turned over card can be removed and placed next to the specs card. Then when both are turned over together you can rub in that it wasn't just SOH because of the different coloured backs.

Okay, Nick, what is the translation of the Latin?