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This might have been mentioned before. I was thinking that if you had an ID that was svengali cut it would allow you to show the deck off a little more.

Is there such a deck?

If not, how could I go about making one?

How do you mean 'show off' ?

If the ID is handled properly, it should for all intents and purposes appear normal.

So in my opinion, if you had to show the deck to be any more 'normal' it would arouse suspicion.

This is obviously a bad thing

You don`t take out a pack of cards and immediately exclaim,' look at this normal pack of cards here'. Let alone riffle through all of the cards.

So I would not suggest in over complicating the effect

You don’t take out a pack of cards and immediately exclaim,' look at this normal pack of cards here'. Let alone riffle through all of the cards.

Well that wasn't what I was suggesting. Lets try and be a little open minded.

I agree that the ID on it’s own enough to fool the specs. But why not add a little more padding to the illusion?

Personally if I had such a deck I would not present it in the way you mentioned above. I think that there could be many ways in which any magician worth his salt could use the deck to heighten the illusion and not detract.

There are a great number of ways that both decks can be used with great effect but I don't see of a way that the ID and Svengali can be put together as they are because of the way that the ID works (don't want to reveal).

The only deck that I know that uses both principles, and I say principles is the Kids Kards deck by Richard Pinner. The ID deck principle of R&S is used but in a different way to the standard ID, where as the Svengali deck principle is also used and yes, it's a great card trick in my opinion.

It's a totally different presentation with this deck and you cannot use it as an ID as well.

hmmm

I see what you are saying... the svengali part would only work one way if you wanted to preserve the ID aspect. Hmmm

there is a deck exactly like this is called a mirage deck

There seems to be a bit of confusion here. Jeremy's question referred specifically to an ID. There is no point in having this Svengali cut, as Jacques and dat8962 both commented.

If what he actually meant was a Svengali Deck using the R&S principle, then that is called a Mirage Deck, as Scudge said. However, Jeremy's response to Jacques clarified that it was the ID effect, so I'm confused and I am obviously not the only one.