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Ok well I am new here and this is my first post so forgive me if this sounds a bit strange. I will give some background. I have been doing magic for a year about. My friend is a very very good magician who has taught me alot of stuff. I do magic too people at my school and they like it alot. I am good at alot of stuff. However my Dp is farelly weak. I have to scroll through the deck till I feel 2 cards which might be obvious to some people. So I stick to routines where I dont have to do much double lifts. My question is do you have too be good at a DL to be impressive? I know it makes it alot more impressive but i would just much rather stick to a routine where I dont get busted. Someone I hate is Criss Angel. But alot of people seem to like him and he has never done a double pick out of all the times i have watched him so I dont know.... I guess that is where I am going with this. Sorry if this question has been asked before im just curious. Thx everybody and I look foreward to being apart of this site.

Pretty much, if you're going to do magic with cards, you HAVE to know how to do a DL. It's one of the foundations of card magic, and is an integral part of thousands of effects.

As for Criss Angel - look harder - he's done plenty of doubles. You're not seeing them, because he's good at it.

Learn and love the DL. If you're having trouble, I would recommend Gregory Wilson's Double Take DVD, which you can find in almost any magic shop. It's a great resource for learning the effect.

Another good set of DVDs are Daryls encyclopedia of card sleights i can't remeber which volume it is but it has quite a big section on DLs and different ways of setting them up.

Well i am fine with a DL. I can do it good enough I just get nervous lol. I find the best way to do it is too scroll through till I find 2 cards and then hold a break. I know tons of tricks but I just dont do a lot of double lifts because I dont want to screw it up lol. But I guess I just have to do it too some people till I get used to it regardless if i screw it up or not......

I am not too bad at the DL and I learnt the technique I use from Daryl. See if you can learn the Larry Jennings Snap DL from somewhere. Is a superb way of getting into position with one hand. Very cool.

I would recommend the Daryls' Ambitious Card DVD as a great source for this.

Tyle;,
No where is it carved in stone that you have to do a DL to be a magician. It's probably a good thing if you can do it, but if you can't, don't sweat it; there are enough tricks around that don't use a double.
Besides, if you have to go afield, it may cut down on the number of card tricks you do -- and that can only be a good thing!
Frankly, after hearing it for more than 50 years, I get a little tired of magicians telling other magicians that they "have" to do such and such or "have" to have so and so in their act.
Magic is big enough and varied enough to get along just fine without that sort of narrow thinking!

I use double lifts all the time, as apposed to riffling the deck you can always just spread the top cards slightly and catch a break under the 2nd card, while you're doing this just patter about random rubbish. i always find if i look away quickly to somthing away from the cards, my spectators look where im looking (as if somthing has just happened)
Hope this helps, If ive given too much away bust me, but every1 knows a DL! and if they don't they should!

I agree with some of the posts here. IT IS NOT necissary for you to be able to do the DL. You can do whatever you want to do when it comes to your style. If you want to do what the people who say you have to do it, the yes, you do. But do what you want to do.

But, just because you 'can't' do it now, does not in any way mean you can't do it. Don't give up just because you are having trouble right now. It takes practice. So do it if it is something you aspire to do, but don't quit unless you just don't want to do it. I spent a week straight of doing nothing but the pass until I got it down perfectly. Had I not spent that much time on it, it would have probably taken weeks/months to get it down right.

When Thomas Edison invented the light bulb, it took him 1000 tries to get it right. When asked how he was able to keep the persistance up for so many tries without quitting, he said something to the effect of, I didnt fail 1000 times, I learned 1000 ways to not make a light bulb.

i1011i wrote:You can do whatever you want to do when it comes to your style. If you want to do what the people who say you have to do it, the yes, you do. But do what you want to do.

What a sentence!

Anyway, I agree with Peter Marucci here - there is no reason why you should think that you have to do a good DL to be able to do impressive magic. If you can come up with a good, engaging, patter then the simplest self-worker can be stunning (OK, OK, I agree that the 21-card-trick would not be easy to make entertaining ).

Kati

P.S. You don't have to have a break to get a DL - I exclusively use the Hit DL now as the get-ready is done as part of the turnover. It's much more natural and it doesn't need to you fiddle with the deck. But then again, if you can do a good pinky count you have it made!

You might find that you need a better quality or new deck. this can help a lot with the dl. i found that i could do it after all when i bought a good quality new deck

katrielalex wrote:

i1011i wrote:You can do whatever you want to do when it comes to your style. If you want to do what the people who say you have to do it, the yes, you do. But do what you want to do.

What a sentence!

Sorry, part of the problem with learning hypnotic language is you tend to start using it unconsciously sometimes.

You know what I mean when I talk about the things that I say that make sense to you as you can start to relax now.

Wow thx everybody for the suggestions. I really appriciate it. I am getting better at D.L. I have been practicing a bit. Maybe ill just buy 52 svengali decks haha. That is easy to do a dl with lol. Jk. Ill just keep practicing.

Practice, Practise and more Practise!

If you don't have patience you can't be a magician. Just keep trying!

There are just so many ways of going about a DL. Just find the method that works best for you. If riffling up the back of the deck works for you then I would say that as long as it looks good and no one sees then use it! Although there are certainly easier ways.

But yeah, practice is key (as everyone keeps saying!)

Ya riffling up the back has always worked best for me and no one has yet too see it. However that is pretty much the only way i know how to do it. I didnt know there was other ways. I mean ya having a break under the 2 cards, I guess I will have to get the dvd. Im pretty broke right now lol. Time to start saving up.