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I dont perform alot of close up or sleight of hand type stuff so therfore i have never really focused on a TT.

I may look into using a TT now because they are obviously not what i thought they were. (common etc)

Thanks for your posts though. You have made me realise how valuable a TT really is and not what i always thought of them.

Hi Tom, i know what you i meen, i find TTs in lots of really crappy 4year old magic sets, they obviously aren't vernets. i see your point.
Invest in a good one!
anypne have any idea of how the 'invisible TT' differs from standard TT's?

MAAAAAAAAGIC J'

I thought i'd seen them somewhere in kids magic.

An invisable one sounds interesting?? Can i see

if you're not blind, course you can see.
I've never seen one to be honist!

Thats very true

An invisable deck is not easy to see. Much like the invisable TT.

Anyway must cut the general chat. this is a magic forum.

All TT's are invisible if they are used properly. If you read the earlier post in this thread by Craig Browning where he describes magicians using chrome plated TT's without anyone noticing them, this is what is meant by the reference to 'invisible'.

There are a few other posts regarding TT's, and which are the best ones to buy and I do recommend that you look these up using the search function.

You can buy a decent TT for around £4 to £5 and if you're buying from a shop then you can try them on for the best fit. This makes it one of the best value for money magic purchases out there in my opinion.

I dont perform alot of close up or sleight of hand type stuff so therfore i have never really focused on a TT.

Were you aware that Franz Harary uses a TT in at least one of his larger illusions... he does the classic vanishing silk using a 300 gallon aquarium... TTs can be used even easier on stage or in a parlor/street performer's setting than they can at close-up range.

I know most of you are in the UK, but you would be doing yourselves a massive favor it you got copies of the Gary Darwin Thumb Top books... I think there's about five of them that give hundreds of routines using said device. They aren't overly expensive and are fairly well illustrated.

If you can't get the Darwin books, many of the magic outlets in the UK sell an inexpensive booklet called '100 tricks with a TT' and there are some very good starters in this book for less than a fiver. I'm sure that many of them are included in the Darwin titles as well.

There's also an excellent DVD called Darwins Encyclopeidia of TT Magic' which comes on three DVD's for around £22 on Penguin. I'm not sure that it's on sale anywhere else so you'll have to put your principles aside if you've been following that post.

I Was fooled myself by a TT only a few weeks back while watching one of the bonus tricks on Jay sankeys Earplugs DVD. So it just goes to show that with excellent presentaion its not only lay people are fooled by these fleshy little bits of plastic. I kicked myself very hard when i realised that i was fooled by something so simple that i am still a little swolen (well thats a bit of a lie but i was a little embarresed.

Stick with your TT and use it.

Somebody should set up a quick poll on how many of us has a TT stuck in their bottom draw with old decks of cards that you are someday going to turn into a gaffed deck.

I was stunned when I saw the vanishing silk in 'the bare hands' for the first time before my magic days and always remember that first impression. Now I always peform that trick and always carry a TT with me wherever I go. After I do a show I always ask people which trick they liked best and very often it's this one.

I even had a woman come up to me once and ask how I did it & she said "I know you weren't using a TT because I was watching out for it" !!

Yes, I've seen it in kids magic boxes but they perform it badly & soon forget all about it. Just like when people watch the masked magician - if they were shown the same effect a few months later they would have forgotten the method.

Salvano has a great video (not sure if it was ever put on DVD) on TT. He is an absolute master and will show you how to use a TT so well you will fool magicians. He's Polish (?) so doesn't communicate that well in English but watch the moves !

It's true that some lay people do know about TTs, but there are not so many of them. Vanishing silk was the first trick I started doing when I got into magic, and the main reason for it was that I was really blown away when I first saw it. Once I'd learnt the secret and bought a TT, that was the only thing I did for a long time, only because I'd liked the effect so much. Later I realized that TT is not something that is absolutely unknown outside the magic fraternity. That, together with my growing interest in cards, led me to put my TT in a draw and not use for quite a while, except on very rare ocasions. Man, do I regret it now. After a while, I realized that people, on average, like the vanishing silk much better than my most powerful card tricks. We magicians tend to forget that all that matters is an effect and a quality of presentation, not how many sophisticated sleights we can perform.

Just try to remember what impressed you the most before you started doing magic yourself. I am pretty sure for many it'll be those tricks that were perfomed with a TT. So how can it dumb?

Repeat like a mantra: use it properly, that's all that matters. You'll fool even those who know your secret

They are. Don’t use them. In fact nobody use them,. At all.




I repeat, nobody should ever, ever use t.ts!


( except me)

As you can probably guess, this topic has been discussed here many times and the conclusions are usually the same each time.

Size and colour don't really matter (cards4magic actually issued a 'Stealth' TT in military camouflage colours!).
It's all in the way you use them (i.e. practice required!).
Anyone who says they're obsolete or useless has missed a very important point about magic (also they're eeejits).
Dale is especially right - everyone else should immediately stop using them, forget all about them, have nothing more to so with them, and give us the advantage !

Dat8962 writes: "All TT's are invisible if they are used properly."

Exactly. And they don't have to be used exclusively in closeup. The tip does NOT specifically make things invisible; it is just an aid in that. And it should be treated as such.

Meanwhile, Dale Shrimpton writes: " Don’t use them. In fact nobody use them,. At all."

That is simply a load of utter rubbish!

I've been using tips for 50 years successfully. And I would be hard pressed to name any other magicians who does NOT use one! (Well, not now! <G>)

You can do a full evening's show with one or more tips, and never have to resort to the cig in hanky or the vanishing silk!

Peter, I do believe Dale was being sarcastic with his comment, hence the (except for me) part at the end.