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If you have ever wondered why you need a heatsink on your cpu at all times then check out this video available on google demonstrating what happens when you remove a heatsink, particularly whilst overclocking but lets face it, it would happen at any point without HS.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5393904704265757054

Check out the table below mobo afterwards!!!

There are some great videos there - here are a couple that amused me:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... =ipod+flea - iPod Flea

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... =macs+suck - Macs suck (not really true though)

Kati

I run an 'almost silent' Apple Mac Dual Processor G5.

The whole of the inside was designed by engineers to be 'as efficient as possible at heat dispersion' for the very reasons in the great vid you've put up there!

Take a look...

http://www.lowendmac.com/ppc/g5.html

Heat is a huge problem with fast processors.

And it's the main reason why people say your computer will live longer if you leave it switched on: switch on and off repeatedly causes everything to heat/cool, in turn, expand/contract.

You are very lucky, I wish I could convice my parents to spend $2000 to $3000 on a new computer . I use an old Inspiron laptop at about 1GHz...eeuch.

Kati

katrielalex, it jus so happens I have some cpu's being sent to me. It wouldnt cost too much to rebuild you a system as you'd be able to swap most parts of existing setup over such as case, psu (poss), ram - if ddr, graphics etc. you'd only need pay for a new mobo. and of course a token payment for the cpu. PM me if interested.

Ipod flea, how awesome lol!!!!

lol

I love that Mac Sucks video. Perhaps the guy should have read the manual, and he'd not have had all those problems lol.

Of course, PC owners don't suffer crashes (!) because they don't need to read the manual. Because the system talks down to the user like a child with every step they take

Anyhow, I won't get into the debate. But—OK, I will heheheheheh...

1. Macs' don't crash. Their applications run in protected memory slots, so if one application dies (rare) the others are all safe

2. Macs ARE easy to shut down. Just one keystroke, and shutdown initiates. Unlike the rather illogical PC shutdown: START > SHUT DOWN > SHUT DOWN

3. As far as productivity goes, I've been using them for 15 years in my job. And only once have we had a disaster—which was due to a faulty external hard drive.

4. User interfaces: The graphic user interface that gives you the Windoze point and click system was developed by Xerox. Then, it was further developed by Apple, and first used in their Macintosh machines.
Micro$oft then later 'borrowed' the hard work done by Xerox and Apple and (IMHO) bastardised it and called it Windows.

Throughout my 25 years of computer ownership (I had a ZX80 when I was 8 years old) I have NEVER had a PC out of preference, although I do have two of them now, but mainly because they compliment my work setup because I need to, at times, debug websites so they run with I.E.6 (not available on Mac) and also I need sometimes to convert HORRIBLE client 'artwork' from Micro$oft Publisher.

I know that PCs are powerful, user-friendly (in an almost condescending way) and the cheaper, more available machine. But frankly, in my own little way, I love Macs to pieces. It seems that the old User Interface thing I mention above started an ongoing battle: Apple leads, Microsoft follows.

2. Macs ARE easy to shut down. Just one keystroke, and shutdown initiates. Unlike the rather illogical PC shutdown: START > SHUT DOWN > SHUT DOWN

Pc's runnin xp you can set the power function so that when you press the power button it logs off and shutdowns - voila one touch shutdown!!

A ZX80 wow, its hard to believe but when I was 10 the zx81 was the one to have with it's 8k!!!!! My first computer though was the superb (in its day) spectrum 48k. Manic miner, Dizzy adventures, Horace goes ***** various adventures, oh my those were the days. Writing music meant coding beep 34, etc, drawing plot 156,235 draw 23, 45, 5e6 oh my gosh it's all coming back to me now........... those were the days lol!!

PC vs MAC, a debate that will rumble on forever no doubt although I can see the power and potential of macs I have never got to grips with their OS. That said though MACS newest OS is actually more like the PC platform allegedly as there are many pc users around the world who have hacked it to run on their pc's. Perhaps the MAC and the PC are starting to merge. T'would make sense for both systems to be similar to use, jus different in the way they handle their power! (IMPO)

Macs and PCs merge?

Macs have been able to run Windows for years. PCs are finally getting there although it's an emulation. Compare it to putting a Porsche bodykit on your Morris Minor, if you like. It LOOKS like a Morris Minor, but will never be one.

And now, Macs are running with Intel chips.

The new motto adopted is:
"What is an Intel chip doing inside a Mac?"
Answer: A lot more than it ever did inside a PC

There's no comparison with operating system look and feel.

Mac OSX is ALREADY what Windows Longhorn (the alleged 'next gen' PC OS) dreams only to be.

In short, the Mac is built (or WAS) predominantly for the pro market, wheras PCs are a consumer item on the whole. Although, with more and more 'switchers' coming over to Mac, it makes me wonder:

http://www.apple.com/uk/switch/

PLEASE: PC users who have never owned a Mac, have a quick think before slagging them off

Jordan: thank you very much for the offer, I will have to bounce it off my parents but I will let you know .

Anyway, just to stick my nose into the debate has anyone here tried running Linux as an OS? I tried it and it immediately became my favourite to use - unfortunately it's only installed on an old computer because we need Win for games etc. . OSX is in fact based on the BSD implementation of Unix (which I think explains its ease of use etc.)...

Kati

katrielalex wrote:Jordan: thank you very much for the offer, I will have to bounce it off my parents but I will let you know .

Anyway, just to stick my nose into the debate has anyone here tried running Linux as an OS? I tried it and it immediately became my favourite to use - unfortunately it's only installed on an old computer because we need Win for games etc. . OSX is in fact based on the BSD implementation of Unix (which I think explains its ease of use etc.)...

Kati

Hiya

Yes, I have a linux hard drive on my Mac at home, for running a test webserver. The linux OS is great, because it's open-source and very modular.

And yes, you're right: Mac OSX is unix-cored, and the result is rock-solid stability, security and filesystems.

If you want a good discussion about Linux, talk to TM member BaBaBoom. He's the Linux Master.

Come on now, everyone!

Linux Rules! Linux Rules! &c.

OK, enough already.

Kati

Seige I agree, the mac is for pro's and if I could use and afford one properly I would well consider the switch, I dont doubt for one minute the advantages of the mac it's just that a pc is as you say consumer level and also in my price bracket. If only windows could be as stable and solid as macs osx, but thenbill gates would lose a lot of money if he made programs that work now wouldnt he lol

Linux - never tried it for fear of it though I'm sure one day I will get round to it. I know there are many different versions such as Lindows etc. I must get round to settin up a partition for it to test it out.

katrielalex wrote:Come on now, everyone!

Linux Rules! Linux Rules! &c.

Linux is different! Linux is different!

Tell you what, though. I've just done a review of SUSE Linux 10 and it's absolutely stuffed with software you have to buy if you use Windows, so perhaps the mantra should be: Linux is complete! Linux is complete!

Jordan: The Mac isn't just for pros. Mac's start at just £360 for a Mac Mini—which is basically just bigger than a stack of 20 CD jewel cases, and yet has more processing power and software than you will want!

Tomo wrote:Tell you what, though. I've just done a review of SUSE Linux 10 and it's absolutely stuffed with software you have to buy if you use Windows, so perhaps the mantra should be: Linux is complete! Linux is complete!

Sounds a lot like Mac OSX. Buy a Mac, and out the box you can:

1. Record and edit video
2. Catalogue your photos, edit and manipulate them
3. Author and burn DVDs
4. Convert, organise and sort music MP3s
5. Use printers, devices etc. WITHOUT drivers in most cases—plug and play!
6. Write documents using word processor layouts
7. Work with generating PDF files from ANY application
8. Create music with professional standard software
9. Have fun!

I am an embedded programmer, and have many compilers for many different processors.

I've never had a compiler which wouldn't run in a windows environment, but I've not seen more than one or two which would run on a mac. There are usually compilers available for Linux, but the complexities in setting them up always seem enormous.

Although XP is fantastic in terms of reliability (months without reboots for me), the protected mode kernel inhibits one when creating your own apps and makes it a lot less fun to play with a PC in this way. I imagine macs to be as bad in this respect.

It would be nice to give all a good, fair appraisal, but windows runs everything I need, and the others don't.

I guess its like that with specialist software tools, as opposed to more generic software apps.