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I thought that was great Katriel! All you have to do is not deal them so messily. Deal them messy but not that messy, so there will only be a slight change in possition as if you have pushed a bit by accident.

Your pass was cool too I didn;t even notice first time round (but then I haven't slept all night so maybe i wasn't paying attention ). The other move went by unnoticed by me also .

Thank you .

I think the dealing just needs to be tried out on a few people and see what works and what doesn't. But I agree that the way I did it doesn't work.

Kati

That was good, and that's the way I usually do it, replace the card while puching the card towards the spectator. I've done it a few times now, and the specs never notice the change in position of the cards. Well done Kati, go out and perform it, you get great reactions.

These are my comments:

1. Practice your shuffling to make it more convincing. it's good, but it can get alot better. Maybe add some on the table riffle shuffles...

2. Practice your palming/cop, you flash. I know, it can be hard.

3. Keep it up - good work mate.

Now, based on my second point, I would have done this a totally another way. I have a very similar routine like this, which I call "coincidence?" which does the same thing, but instead of palming off/cop'ing, I ask the spec for any number between 10 and 50.... then I second deal all the way, and on that given number, their card is. Yes, it's maybe harder, but damn convincing.

Thanks for that, Rune, I'll keep practicing. I think the beauty of palming is that the spectator can deal the cards themselves. I'm off to practice my one handed palms...

Hmm i just figured out another way to do this.... You can still handle the cards out to the spec, and without palming it. Just control the card to the bottom. Now, as the user stops, he gives you the deck, and then you can bottomdeal the next card to the table, which is the selected card. The bottom deal can also be done in a "slip"-way, which is hard to explain for me here and now

That's a good idea actually. The only problem for me is I don't know how to bottom deal. If you do it that way, it's so clean, provided your BD is really good, because there will be lots of focus on it. The only problem I can see is if the spectator catches a glimpse of the bottom card, and the they see that you deal the same card from the 'top' of the deck.

Actually, I can think of another idea. I'm not sure it would be more feasible but it's a bit cleaner - if you control the selection to the bottom it should be poossible to sidesteal it to the top as you take the deck back to pass to the second spectator - means you have to take the deck back which was a problem with the original routine but then you don't have to be able to hold a good palm.

Kati

Rune, your first idea sounds better, but both of them take away from what fitz was trying to achieve.

The seconds deal is effective - but it loses a bit because YOU are dealing the cards.

The bottom deal is a bit more effective - but why would you have the spec deal down the cards, only for you to deal down the last one? As for the "slip" excuse - if it's just a slip, why are you putting it on the pile that was dealt down? Either way, even a moderately observant spectator would find these fishy.

For what he's trying to do, I think the palm is the best choice for convincing the spectator that they did the work.

Actually, there's one more way that allows you not to touch the deck at all.

Use a one-way force deck.

I'm serious!

Kati

I was thinking the same thing, Kati.

In fact, with the use of a force deck, this effect is almost identical to an effect on Front Row Sankey, Close Contact.

I'm sure you're familiar with it, Kati.

Demitri wrote:For what he's trying to do, I think the palm is the best choice for convincing the spectator that they did the work.

Well, neither with my suggestions or the one being performed, this is not the case. To get the card back on the deck, he needs to get the deck back, into his hands. To drop the palmed card. So, the case is just the same, using his version or some of my versions..

Demitri wrote:I'm sure you're familiar with it, Kati.

Ooh, don't tempt me. Last thing I need is to buy another DVD .

Kati

There's loads of methods in this thread, all pretty good, and all have their own merits. I personally think the palm is the best, simply because there is less handling of the deck, it is more logical (i.e spec deals down cards, and turns over), and also both moves happen on the offbeat. I think the one way force deck is a great idea aswell, you don't need to touch the deck, however, it only takes one slip from a spectator during the shuffle or deal, and the effect is blown.

Well if you're going to use a dodgy deck then you might as well use a svengali for this kind of thing. It would be a walk in the park then!