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DL silly me.

Postby Option » Mar 7th, '06, 10:37



Is the DL supposed to be good for close up? I'd practised and practised but when I try in front of some kids they say "Hey, you've got 2 cards there" :oops:

Even using a new deck 2 cards completely stuck together they can still see.. :cry:

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Postby grog » Mar 7th, '06, 11:19

yes the DL is use for close up. You should be able to do it as long as your know what your doing and you practise

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Postby Stephen Ward » Mar 7th, '06, 11:59

Stand in front of a mirror and practise. You will see what they see and it will help you improve. It is just a case of practise and being confident. Try to watch magicians on DVD and TV doing it. Note how they do the move (there are several ways).

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Re: DL silly me.

Postby point » Mar 7th, '06, 12:10

Option wrote:Is the DL supposed to be good for close up? I'd practised and practised but when I try in front of some kids they say "Hey, you've got 2 cards there" :oops:

Even using a new deck 2 cards completely stuck together they can still see.. :cry:


Then don't try it until you're ready...next time you perform for the same kids they'll say the same even if you turn one card because you "showed" them the DL first time....

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Postby katrielalex » Mar 7th, '06, 12:20

Yes, if the get the DL you need to practice. It has to look really really really natural.

  1. Turn over one card. If you have a camera film it, otherwise just look in a mirror. Make sure you remember exactly how you did it.
  2. Find a way to make your DL look exactly like that. You can do it slowly but make sure it looks perfectly natural.
  3. Repeat ad nauseum.


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Postby pdjamez » Mar 7th, '06, 12:47

For some reason, people seem to think the DL is an easy move. It isn't. As above, practise, practise practise, until its looks natural.

There is plenty of material on the "get ready" aspect, so look through your library for different approaches to the DL.

Where did you learn it and which DL are you using?

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Postby Option » Mar 7th, '06, 13:42

I have 2

The one that failed is
Please dont post links to exposure sites...Mog


I found this reliable as there are 3 fingers keeping the cards together

The one I did before is the Hit Lift on this page
As above...Mog

It seems natural but sometimes cards would slide and show as 2. Also sometimes I would end up picking 3 cards.

Haven't been caught on this one, but just feels less safe.

Only been doing these for about a week.

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Postby pdjamez » Mar 7th, '06, 13:54

Option wrote:I have 2

The one that failed is
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I found this reliable as there are 3 fingers keeping the cards together

The one I did before is the Hit Lift on this page
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It seems natural but sometimes cards would slide and show as 2. Also sometimes I would end up picking 3 cards.

Haven't been caught on this one, but just feels less safe.

Only been doing these for about a week.


Option, learning any moves from exposure sites isn't really the best approach. Apart from the ethical issues, the explanation isn't that great, and the sleight names provided aren't correct. Can I suggest you buy either a beginners book or DVD and learn this way. Use the search function to find advice relating to the most appropriate beginners books or DVD.

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Troubles with the dl...

Postby macos » Mar 7th, '06, 14:04

This was probably the first move i really got stuck with. I practiced it for 3 months, every now and then, and still ppl caught me "Hey,I saw two cards there...". So I practiced alot more before showing it again. I worked with it for about 7 months further before it finally became like a second nature to me and I got the confidence to perform it. In January I performed it at least to 50 ppl, personally in close-up, none of them catching me or even reacting weird when I did the dl.
My hints are:

-First of all, make sure you are holding the deck right in your left hand! This was my biggest mistake. I held it too high. Watch videos and clips to see how the mechanics grip exactly is. IT IS NOT THE GRIP YOU ARE DEALING CARDS FROM, you hold them more firmly in the mechanics grip. The left first finger should be able to curle a little above the outer end of the deck.

-Practice different methods, I mostly use the hit lift, but if the cards are in bad condition (borrowed deck) I always use a get-ready before the lift (pinky break under top 2cards). You'll find ur own at the end (Yes, it will take time. But remember, the time spent on practicing dl's that u won't use is not a waste of time, it trains ur hands to get use to the cards)

-Have a deck and do dl's everytime u watch TV, after sometime u don't have to concentrate on the dl and can actually follow the program.

-Practice infront of the mirror. Probably the best way to practice. NOTE: Be careful that u don't close ur eyes just as you are turning the double. This might sometimes happen as a reflex as you are aiming to make the dl unnoticeable. Sounds silly but it's true!

-When performing at first, use cards with a white border (for ex. Bicycle, not Bee's) as the doubles will be harder to spot that way when turned face-up on the deck.

-Get the turnover part right! It might well be the most important phase of the dl. It should be almost like turning pages in a book (after all, u are just dealing with paper!). It has to be so natural that some spectators even watch away from the cards when doing it (they think nothing could possible have happened there).

-When you do the turn-over you can do an "adding convincer", by bending the cards so it comes a knacking sound. Because of some reason this fools the spectator to think there's just one card.

-If you use a get-ready. Always have a short break between doing the "get-ready" and turning the double face up. Make the get-ready->talk to spectator for like 5 seconds this way he won't think you just did something strange to the cards-->then turn the double face up. ( Here I sometimes even tell him to watch carefully at the cards, this might sometimes make him watch less carefully at the cards thinking I'm doing something else :D, fool ) NOTE: It's good to keep on talking WHILE turning the double so it "flows in". If u stop talking right when turn over the dl, the spectators thoughts are more like "ok here it comes...I'll catch him" rather then "okey, so there's the 2 of spades"

-Never do the DL too slowly or too fast. Doing it too slowly might separate the cards, do it ultra fast and ur caught right away! Again, do it like turning over a page in book.

-Don't be afraid to aligne the two cards with ur left first finger at the outer end when u turn it face up, do the same when you turn them face down. At first even this might look suspicious but do it smoothly and naturally and no-one will notice.

-If all the books and hints haven't helped, buy Gregory Wilson's "Double Take"-DVD. I have it and it's great, it was worth the money. You need to get this move correctly, it is that effective!

-Last but definatly not least what all have been told you: PRACTICE, PRACTICE AND PRACTICE. And when u got it down, practice some more. The dl is a matter of skill, not luck!


If u got any further questions about the dl, pm me and I'll be happy to help you (if I'm able to) or show u a video clip of me doing the dl or any other move I just mentioned...

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Postby Pitto » Mar 7th, '06, 14:44

As it has been said, even if you do a perfect DL for those people they will spot it because you have shown them it. Wait a few months practic then show them - They wont notice.

EDIT: With alot of practice this move is great. My dad first showed me a DL and he can't spot mine now :D

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