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Somewhere between Bizzarre and Mentalism

Postby taneous » Mar 16th, '06, 15:54



I have been studying mentalism for a while now and I love the thinking behind it. I'm still hesitant to call myself a mentalist (or commit myself only to mentalism). I think the reason is that I really enjoy magic. Now I'm not talking about card tricks - I'm talking about presenting something that lies somewhere between illusion and reality - something that involves the audience on an emotional level.
One of the main objections to this is people see magic as tricks - whereas in mentalism things are bordering on believable. I still feel that this is possible to do with some magic. I guess I've never quit believing in real magic - even though my definition of that may have changed.

Lately I've been reading more of the bizzarre side of our art and I've recently got my hands on Michael J. Fraughton's THE DARK WALTZ - which I hope to review in the near future. While some of the material is a bit too dark for me - I love his thinking. In a way it's similar to mentalism - the thinking, that is. Simple stuff - with all of the focus on how it's presented and the emotions that go with it. He speaks about how it's not surprising magicians aren't taken seriously - because we don't perform with the conviction that what we're doing is real.

It's really got me thinking :)

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Postby Craig Browning » Mar 16th, '06, 19:27

You will find that most Mentalists, even the big name guys that do nothing but Mentalism publically, still love magic. Some are quite awesome at coin work and other close-up bits, so it's not an unusual position to be in. For me, I will always have a passion towards grand illusion and stage magic; it was a part of my identity of 20 some odd years, after all.

Bizarre Magick is likewise a passion of mine. It's a bit unique because it does stand in that grey area that exists between the two demensions of what people see as being "magick"; though it's trickery it is presented in ways the invoke the same kind of psychological thought processes mentalism is known for.

If this subject holds your interest there's a few things to check out... I'll start with a couple of links that may help you in your journey...

http://www.dragonskull.co.uk/main_map.htm

http://www.icbmmagick.com/index.html

http://www.deceptionsunlimited.com/

I'll also recommend that you visit this site and order Borodin's book THE FINAL CURTAIN. http://www.adessoverlag.com/gateway.htm in that it is the lattest of solid tomes to come out on said topic and filled with some very awesome material.

I can't find the links right now, but track down any of the works by Ed Solomon (DeNomolos) and Gene Poinc, you may also find some of Ron Dayton (KOTAH) material of interest.

Best of luck! :wink:

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Postby Stephen Ward » Mar 16th, '06, 19:40

may i also mention http://www.blackhart.co.uk/page10.html They have bizarre and psychic stuff.

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Somewhere between Bizzarre and Mentalism

Postby ignis » Mar 19th, '06, 16:15

This is only my second posting to the forum so forgive me if I tend to woffle a bit.

I too love the bizarre stuff. A great place to find info is online visions magazine. The problem with bizarre magic is that a lot of magicians think that being bizarre is an easy way to fame and fortune without doing a lot of work. Swap playing cards for a tarot deck, buy a few props etc and you have a working act.

This is all very true but bizarre magic believe it or not is actually harder to carry off than 'ordinary conjouring' because the magician has to draw a fine line between the story of the illusion and the illusion itself.

If you want to become a bizarrist I have some advice.

Firstly pick a system. Crowleyan magick, medieval (John Dee Conelias Aggrippa etc) or just horror.and stick to that so it themes your night.

Avoid things that are too shocking like rape and murder of kids etc. It can be easy to get carried away and the more gory it seems the more applause you get...wrong you Play with the boundries of reality not the contents of people's stomachs

In my shows I try to prove a point such as the fragility of life or tell a story of a hapless researcher into the 'occult'

Don't bore your audience with long explanations of spells, incantations and the like. You may know they're accurate versions of the key of Solomon but your audience will be asleep by the end of it.

Leave your audience confused at the end of the act.

Finally buy as much fiction as you can on your genre and STUDY IT. Anne Rice for Vampire lore. HP Lovecraft for real scary stuff etc

Best of luck if you go down this road, your magical life will never be the same...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....shreiks

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Postby Craig Browning » Mar 19th, '06, 20:42

Ignis

To a point, I agree with what you are saying but, you also reveal one of the greatest misconceptions about what Bizarre is and isn't. The idea that you can simply replace playing cards with tarot makes what you do "Bizarre" simply isn't true. Same applies to those that think they can place blood onto a playing card and believe that to be bizarre or even those that tell a ghostly tale around a standard card effect... none of this is Bizarre, it's magician's masturbation.

Being "Bizarre" is akin to being "Goth", it's an attitude and a part of one's nature. Just because you have a Hot Topic's wardrobe does not make you a GOTH (far from it).

The bizarrist is, in many ways, a storyteller that employs magic more along the lines of it being a "special effect" to the telling of a tale; the real "magick" as it were, comes from their ability to enchant an audience as an orator far more than it leans on the mechanics and staging of a "trick". Too, the bizarrist exploits much of the psychology that belongs to the Mentalists; eliciting an investment of belief vs. the magician's agreement with his audience for the suspension thereof.

Bizarre Magick likewise has a series of sub-division (for lack of a better term) that range from those who are more tongue-n-cheek with their marose sense of humor (Gene Poinc and Ed Solomon for example) to those who are far more shamanic and enigmatic (David Blaine). You have the guys that lean closer to the Macabre and tales of Jack the Ripper or Lizzie Borden as well as those who take on the mantel of either the Spiritualist or Occultist e.g. there is no one single definition to what all Bizarre Magick is, except for possibly one -- THEATER!

Bizarre Magick is a very difficult field to become involved in due to the fact that it compounds for us, the role of being an actor.

The typical mage can go out and simply do a series of tricks and if choreographed logically, have what many would accept to be "a show". The Bizarrist however must think on much more broad terms and impose upon his/her self the obligations of character known to all true thespians. This is not the same thing as we find in traditional magic and it requires discipline as well as the willingness to be molded into that which you envision. A look at what this gent accomplishes without a single "trick" lends testimony to these things http://www.joshuakane.com/pages/performances.html# and believe me when I say, what Joshua delivers really is MAGICK!

Many do attempt to try this path and fail miserably. It is not a path intended for all and only a select few accomplish the image and personae that is Bizarre. You will know them on sight and it has little to do with how they are dressed or if they are performing minor miracles; it is instead, their demeanor, the quiet confidence, and a sense of presence that simply says "This is a magickle being".

I know of very few out of the very many, some of whom are noted names in this side of the industry, that can fit into such shoes for most will not willingly go where they must in order to become all that they can be. Most are only interested in the "tricks" rather than learning the "tricks of the trade" and how to pull, from deep within their own being, those qualities and elements that are demanded of a genuine actor that's dedicated to a most unique role. :wink:

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Postby ignis » Mar 21st, '06, 20:39

Craig

you put it so much more elequently than I ever could.

I know one shouldn't reveal secrets on this forum :) but I think the secret to any magical show is belief. Both in what you are doing and your own abilities as a magician. One must become imersed in the magic and let it wash over you as a performer. While you are performing, you really are the'mage'. This is the only way I can describe what to me is a spiritual experience, to bring just a little sense of wonder and amazement to my audience and to leave them thinking 'its got to be trickery ...but'

The trick is incidental to me as a magician, it is merely a tool to get the audience reaction i desire. Mostly it works, but if not well..I have more where that came from. Whether I am the dark mage of yore or the Lovecraftian Investigator doing Docc Hilfford's 'At the Mountains of Madness' I am concentrating on getting the audience to react emotionaly in the way i want. Naturaly, one needs to be proficient at one's art but I never forget that magic is art.

I also have a great dog called Barrie that i use for a kids vent act, and he is as real to me as my kids and no I am not responsible for his actions or the mess ( sorry mum's who've booked the housewrecker )

I know no-ones allowed to give secrets away but can anyone tell me how to get out of this straightjacket.....?

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Postby IAIN » Mar 28th, '06, 12:04

i love the bizarre and the psychic kind of effects. i try and go for the approach of an experiment or for me to be the conduit for others latent psychic abilites...

it's very rarely me that shows any kind of "gift" as such...i think that hits the audience harder (from the tiny experience i've had anyways)...

though since i've been using blackhart artefacts, I'm starting to develop the story-line of being left a little box of oddities by a great uncle of mine and noticing how strange things start to happen whenever i start messing about with the objects...weeja/ouija board, i've aged a deck of spanish tarot, some pendulum stuff...

i prefer to make the stories more intimate, like I'm sharing something with the audience thats quite personal yet unsettling...

Shivers (which has been reviewed on here a little while ago) has some great ideas for darker presentations which have a lot of room for adaptation...

i always find reading some james le fanu and h.p. lovecraft books to get some ideas...

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